Sons of God ｜ Dr. Laura Sanger
Tribe
2025-05-18

Automatically transcribed. Where this and the recording disagree, the recording is the record.

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Since we're gonna be sitting for a minute tonight, let's stand up. Stretch our legs. Prepare our hearts. Would you just pray with me? Lord, we invite your presence into this place.

We just tell you right now that your presence is welcome here. There's nothing worth more. There's no better time spent than with you and in your presence. So we worship you. Sing this together.

And my shame is your presence holy spirit sweetest

Welcome to Tribe's little cozy upper room. Good job for finding us. Good job for braving the spring rains for getting out here this evening. Here's what you can expect tonight. We're going to continue to soak in worship for a little while longer.

And this is going to be doctor Laura's introduction now so that when we're done with worship, she can just jump right into what she has for us this evening. My name is Brian Hunter. I'm the what would you say I am? I go to tribe. I go I go to tribe here.

Senior pastor Jesus is in charge of this church, and I serve him. Thank you so much for being here. I know that some of you have come from Pinedale. You've come from Alpine. You've come from out of state.

And so we wanna tell you, welcome. And I think you know this already as I look around at your faces, but you will get out of this evening what you put into it. And so I know that this environment is a little bit different. It's maybe not like what you're accustomed to in a church, but it's the same Jesus and it's the same Holy Spirit. And I know that you have a relationship with him.

So would you take a moment and would you personally invite him into this place tonight, into our time together this evening, and into your heart this evening? He would love a personal invitation from you. So maybe just loud enough for your own voice to hear. Would you just talk to him for a moment and invite him here?

Jesus, we love you. Thank you. We invite your presence, Jesus.

Fill this place and fill our hearts. Well, that's good. As we transition from one type of worship, which we will do a little bit more of, We'll do another kind of worship, which will be honoring the word that is discussed. And then depending on what the Holy Spirit wants to do, maybe we'll do some q and a. Perhaps we'll do some ministry time.

And then tomorrow, I want to remind you that we're gonna have a service at 10AM at a bar. We'll do church at a bar because we can't all fit here. So we'll be at the Virginian Saloon at 10AM tomorrow. So Introduce Laura. People know doctor Laura.

You'll see her in a second. Oh, maybe. Yeah. Maybe not. Oh, maybe not.

Maybe you got invited here by somebody else. Well, in a moment, you'll see doctor Laura. She's kinda squeezed around the corner right now in what we call the the VIP section. But doctor Laura lives in Salt Lake City. She has written several books.

She is an author. She is a speaker, and she is a wife, a mom. She's going to be a grandmother. And I think my most favorite attribute of her is she is best friends with the Holy Spirit. And so I will pray.

Let me pray over her. Can we sing a little bit more? And then we'll go into the next kind of Jesus,

thank you.

Father, thank you for bringing doctor Laura to Tribe and to be a part of our Tribe family and to be a part of the Hunter's family this weekend. God, we ask that it would be her mouth and your words and that our hearts would be softened to receive all that you have for us this evening and tomorrow at church. Holy Spirit, you are the welcomed, esteemed, highly honored guest of honor here this evening. And so we make room in our hearts for what you want to do in our lives this evening. Jesus, we love you.

Would you just tell him that? Jesus, we love you. We love you. We love you, Jesus.

Because your name is the highest. I declare your name is

Let's just lift a heavenly song to him and just lift your praise to him that he is worthy. Just join your voice. Just if you don't know what to sing, just say thank you. You are worthy. You are high and lifted up.

Your name is higher than any other name.

And dominions, all powers and positions your name stays above the low.

Yes, Lord. We worship you. We worship you. We declare your holiness in this place, your rightful place, king of kings, lord of lords. Above every throne, every dominion, every power, every position, you are higher.

Lord, prepare our hearts right now for the word that doctor Laura is gonna bring. May we be changed forever by it. Because Lord we are changed and transformed in your presence. That's where we grow. That's where healing happens.

That's where conviction happens. So Lord you are here. We thank you for your presence in this place. May we never tire of seeking you and longing to be in your presence. Speak to each and every one of us tonight.

Anything in this room that would distract, we just bind it right now. We say, holy spirit, you are the only spirit that we long to hear in this place tonight. Just take a minute before we move to the next thing and just ask him, Lord, would you remove the distractions of my mind right now? Whatever you came in through those doors with tonight, lay them at his feet.

You're holy forever.

We thank you. We thank you in advance for what you're gonna do in our hearts and in our lives tonight. We tell you we love you and everybody said Amen. Amen. There's not a whole lot of room to, like, move around and greet people, but turn to your right and your left and directly behind you and say, receive what the Lord has for you tonight.

Do you want us?

I'll just put this podcast microphone. But it picks up pretty good. And then this can be

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then I have images that I'll use.

Okay. Jacob's got them. You just gave him. She has slides. Okay.

Awesome. Can I get you anything? Just get out of your way. Can feel my lap.

Yeah. You can get up.

My god. Maybe just slightly so I can see people. There we go. Well, welcome, everyone. It is amazing to be here.

I learned okay, I think the farthest people that have come are from Dallas. So if you're from the Dallas area, raise your hand. Okay. Okay? And so in the very back is Jessica and Jeremiah, and they are good friends.

We go way back. I'll explain that in a little bit. And then new friends that, okay, this, like, shocked me, but I didn't even meet your name. You are oh, Hirsch. And what is your name?

Chris.

Chris. Chris drove from Dallas to get here, and Hirsch flew. And did you pick her up in Salt Lake City?

No. Here.

Oh, here. Okay. So you came all the way in. So warm welcome to you traveling in, you know, the Lord knows what kind of weather you've hit to come. So we are so excited.

Everyone is here. I've got great friends from Salt Lake, Mary Ann and Joni, and my son Bryson is here. And I'm going to actually if you can put up on the screen, I have a picture of our family. Yeah. Come on up here, Bryson.

I'm going talk about you for a little bit. Sure. Yes. Okay. I'll start with Bryson since he is live in the flesh here.

So he we have three children, and he is our middle child, and he loves to remind us of that at times. But he is he's our oldest son, and just amazing. So he is our adventurous one. So being here in Jackson Hole is well, in Wyoming in general. I think Wyoming is his happy place.

He has spent many years backpacking, trekking in the Wind Rivers. This is his first time in Jackson Hole. Thank you wherever Connor is for the hike. It was perfect for him. And so he, at a young, young age, we realized that he was adventurous.

I am not adventurous. Tom is slightly more adventurous than I, but he, like, stretched us so far. And the Lord provided an opportunity through our church when he was eight years old to go on a missions trip to Borneo. And so he was the only kid to go among, I don't know, maybe 15 people that went, And it took fifty five hours to get there because they were in the interior jungle of Borneo at an orphanage. And he was with a machete in a jungle at eight years old, and it was it was what he's made for.

So he actually went back as a junior in high school. He went back to not Borneo, but to Indonesia, Lombok specifically. It's an island next to Bali, and it was a project for his school slash mission project, and he was able to help the local missionaries. What would you say? Trek a trail, or I don't even know how you say that.

Trailblazed a 91 kilometer backpacking trail through the jungles and rainforest jungles into a volcano, all kinds of stuff, like inactive volcano. Yeah, we trekked. That was for their business. So

So he had a machete again in the jungles.

Yeah.

And that's what he loves. But he is he gave his first prophetic word when he was three, and it was spot on for a family. And they actually responded to that prophetic word. Like it helped them make a decision that they were praying about. And then at age five well, I'll tell the story about age five in just a minute.

But so he is a prophetic intercessor, he's a discerner, he loves worship, and he also serves on the youth team at our church. So this is Bryson. Make sure you get to know him. He's thrilled to be here. It's my joy to have him because I'm training him and raising him up.

So I don't usually bring them up front, but it's a small enough group, so that worked great. So Kaylee is our daughter, and she is with child about to give birth in the next three weeks sometime. This is all of us at BlurryCon this past year, and oh, I guess we're up here too. Yes. Kaylee how do I describe Kaylee?

She is an amazing sister. She has always been super supportive of her brothers and all their activities. She was an athlete herself, a musician. She has got a tender heart, and I cannot wait to see her as a mother. Like, just watching her bond with Callum, that's our grandson, while he's in her womb, I'm just so thrilled.

So she's she married Bodie, and we prayed Bodie in for probably six years. We were praying for her soon to be spouse. We didn't know Bodie at the time, and he is an absolute perfect fit for our family. The Lord just answered our prayers in beautiful ways. All of them love Jesus.

Bodhi did not know Jesus when he met Kaylee, and shortly, probably within maybe four months, he gave his life to the Lord. He started coming to our church, which is called The Well, and he is just growing leaps and bounds, so it's exciting. And then our youngest, Zachariah, he is 17, and he is our miracle child. So some of you that have listened to me speak before, you may have heard I'm gonna give a shoot super short story. But when he was eight months old, I was the youth minister at our church at the time, and I took our youth group to the CALL DC, which is a twelve hour prayer and fasting event.

And the night before or the day before, we went to the Supreme Court steps, and we prayed for the unborn and the and the life of the unborn, and that was the last time he ate. He his health plummeted. I was nursing him, but he was also eating baby food, and he would no longer eat anything for months. In fact, he started eating inedible, like, would chew on books and things like that. It it and we didn't know what was going on.

We were at the call, got incredibly sick, high, high fever. We were praying, believing the Lord was gonna turn this around. You know, here I am. I'm leading a group of people. We had to go by ambulance to Primary Children's in DC.

They couldn't do a thing for him. He had over a 104 degree temperature, couldn't catheterize him, couldn't get a blood sample, and after hours of them poking him and poking him, we left, and we had no transportation. This is like 10:00, 10:30 at night. We realized Primary Children's well, I don't even know if it's called that, that's what it's called in Utah. Their children's hospital was not in a good neighborhood, and all the taxis is before Uber.

All the taxis in the entire city were booked, and so we had to try and find a bus. Sick kid, I've got Tom and I and our two other kids. Bryson was five, Kaylee was 10. And we, by the grace of God, got found a bus, went past the red light district, all these prostitutes. I'm like, kids, don't look right now.

And the bus driver lets us off about a couple of blocks beyond the right light district and says, you know, the metro station is a couple blocks that way. We get on the metro, get to our stop, get out, and there's, like, four different ways you can get out of the metro, and we went out the wrong way, and we were incredibly lost. And by this time, it's probably eleven, 11:15. Our kids had not eaten since noon, and Tom and I were fasting and in crisis. And Bryson, being five years old, quoted Isaiah thirty twenty one, which says, whether you turn to the right or the left, your ears will hear a voice behind you saying, this is the way.

Walk in it. And by the Holy Spirit, he led us back to our hotel. So and unfortunately, it just got worse from there. So Zechariah continued to decline, would not eat. I was trying to nurse him.

He was incredibly dehydrated. We had two more days in DC before we flew home. We get on the flight, and I am thanking Jesus that we are on our way home. I can't wait to get to our pediatrician. I've got Zechariah in my arms, either kid on either side of me.

We've got a group maybe of 20 people or so. And Zechariah is asleep on takeoff, and I'm just like I'm so exhausted from the stress and not knowing what's going on, and so I'm just thanking the Lord that he's asleep. And we go on takeoff, and I look down, and he's starting to squirm a little bit, and I notice he's turning blue. And I freak out because I that's what I do in crisis, apparently. I freak out.

And I didn't like it was more internal freak out, but I stand up. And and Tom, my husband I didn't even introduce my husband, Tom. That is my husband, Tom. We've been married coming up on thirty three years, and he is an absolute rock for me and so supportive. Yeah.

And through all of this situation, he was the rock that was standing on the rock of Jesus. And so anyways, I stand up with Zachariah, and I'm like, Tom. And I hand Zachariah, and by the time I hand him to Tom, the back of his head is now blue. And the flight attendant sees that we're in medical crisis, and he goes on the loudspeaker intercom and asks, is there any medical personnel on board? And thank the Lord, there wasn't one nurse.

And so they took Zachariah to the back of the plane, and the next thing I see is the flight attendant running towards the front of the plane, and so I am thinking my son is dying, and we're gonna have to land this plane. So I'm a wreck. Bryson and Kaylee are on either side of me. Well, the flight attendant was getting cold rags to cool him down because apparently, Zachariah was not hot to the touch. His temperature was so high it was attacking his organs.

And now we understand that he was in uremic toxicity and approaching a febrile seizure. So they, like, stripped him down, wrapped him in cold rags, and we survived the flight. And then it was one thing after another. So he is our miracle child. He nearly died on the flight, and he nearly died one other time prior to having an emergency hospitalization.

So he was in kidney failure and failure to thrive, and he needed emergency surgery, got discharged on a feeding tube, and that began the long road to recovery. Well, I call him I mean, all three of my kids are giant slayers for sure, but Zechariah's middle name is David. Bryson's middle name is Josiah, two of my favorite kings, and Zachariah is definitely a giant slayer. So when COVID hit, he is now I should say this. I forget to finish the story, and people are like, Is he still alive?

Yes. He's he's alive, and he's alive and well. He is a walking miracle. His blood work over the years has suggested he should be on the transplant list. He nearly was so low kidney function that he needed dialysis, but he has virtually no symptoms of kidney issues, even though his blood work hasn't completely lined up with that.

So he's our walking miracle. He's a 100% functionally healed. He's a competitive soccer player, most likely going to England to play for university. He's gonna be a senior. He's finishing his junior year now.

But when COVID hit, he was in sixth grade and about to start a new middle school. Y'all remember middle school age, how awkward that is? Well, he started a new school, and we were probably similar to you guys, although you're Wyoming. Maybe you didn't have mask mandates, but we did in Salt Lake. Well, in all of Utah, every child was mandated to wear masks the entire school year.

And I knew I could not put him in a mask. And so, thankfully, our pediatrician supported that decision, gave us a mask exemption, and I would have thought more parents had advocated or at least successfully advocated, but it turns out our pediatrician was probably one of the few in Salt Lake County that actually gave a mask exemption. So when Zachariah showed up, seventh grade, brand new school I mean, new to him, he still had some of his elementary cohort, but you know how there's all these kids from all different elementary schools? He was the only one to not have a mask in the entire school. And so he went the entire school year not wearing a mask, and he was ridiculed.

He was teachers gave him a hard time. The campus police called him a liar, but he stood his ground, and not once did he bend a knee to that. And so he is our giant slayer. And his business so he built my website when he was 12, and he started designing merch for me. And so the the t shirts downstairs are his business.

So it's his seed money. He help you know, helps design all of that. So that is our family. And like I said, Tom, I couldn't be here doing what I'm doing without the support of my husband. And as a woman in ministry, I've I've met a lot of women in my travels that their husbands are completely checked out.

Some of them are not even believers, and I can't imagine how difficult it is for them to do what they need to do. And so I am incredibly grateful for Tom's support. He is the comedian of our family, keeps us laughing. Bryson gives him a run for his money. Bryson's pretty funny as well.

But he is my my best friend, and I'm just so grateful. So that's a little bit about me, my family. I wanna jump in this evening. We're gonna be doing some training on spiritual mapping, and I am gonna leave lots of opportunity for questions at the end. And I know, like, for those of you that are called tribe your home, that it's more interactive.

I promise I'll be more interactive tomorrow. Tonight, I wanna train first, and then just, like, keep your questions, and we'll make sure that we'll have time at the end. Does that sound good? Okay. So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna give an overview of spiritual mapping, and then we'll get into some nitty gritty.

I'll share some stories, and then we'll talk about Jackson, some of the research, spiritual mapping research we did for Jackson, and then we'll probably weave in some of the the things that we discerned on the the reconnaissance prayer trip some of us did this morning. So that's kind of our game plan. Now as an overview, spiritual mapping essentially is gathering research on the spiritual pulse, you know, the the physical, social, and spiritual pulse of a city, a community, a region, a nation, an institution, whatever it is that mapping assignment that the Lord has given you. And so it involves gathering research on, you know, all of those things, but it, you know, it incorporates digging into history to uncover ancient roots of defilement. Now there's three components to spiritual mapping.

One of them is reconnaissance, then there's research, and then there's informed intercession. And so with reconnaissance, what we did today was prayer reconnaissance. And essentially, what we do is we send teams of people out onto the land to discern what's happened there or what is currently happening there. And biblical examples of this, we see this, you know, in when Moses sent the 12 spies into the land of Canaan. Does this move down?

Perfect. I'm height challenged, so I want to be able to see you over the microphone. So when Moses sent the 12 spies into Canaan the land of Canaan, when Joshua sent the two spies into Jericho, and then even Paul on his missionary journeys, you know, when he would go into a city for the first time, he would walk around to get a sense of the spiritual dynamics at play. So those are some biblical examples. And what we did today is we did reconnaissance prayer, and so we had teams of people, and we went out to specific locations.

We went to Mormon Row, we went to Jackson Square and the Jackson Town Hall, and then the Jackson Hole High School. And so we discerned, we took notes, we had almost all of the teams made it to all the spots. Some of us ran out of time, but it was incredibly fruitful to see and hear that the teams were discerning similar things at the locations. And when that happens, we know that the Holy Spirit is highlighting, okay. This is something that we now can pray into.

So what we do is we took notes, and then we combine that with the research component of spiritual mapping. So that involves, like, digging into history. It's, you know, obtaining demographic data. It's interviewing local people to see, like, what their experience is of things that are going on in the land here. It also involves, you know, digging through archives of newspapers.

We in Salt Lake have found incredible confirmation and critical clues that were buried deep in archives of newspapers. So that's the research component, and we pull all of those things together, both the reconnaissance and the research, and we write up a spiritual mapping prayer brief. Now I brought probably the latest one that I have written. It was in 2021, and it's agenda 21, agenda 2030, and it is 14 pages. So prayer briefs are anywhere between, like, five and fifteen, 20 pages.

And so what we do is we have you know, we combine the research. We combine the reconnaissance. And then at the very end, lovely picture of the Rothschilds. We have prayer points right here, prayer strategies, because what we wanna do with these prayer briefs is we wanna inform intercession. And, you know, intercessors, we wanna allow them to be able to strike at the root of the issues.

Now I am not a gun person, but I know lots of you are. So I might get my analogy wrong, so just correct me if it's wrong. But I think about, like, if you're trying to hit a target and you have a shotgun and you're just kind of randomly shooting, I mean, you might hit that target, but it if you are a sniper with a sharpshooter, you're definitely gonna hit the target. And so what we're doing with spiritual mapping is we are like snipers with sharpshooters. We wanna hit the target with our prayers.

Now as we equip intercessors, we wanna be able to help them break off, you know, curses that are attached to the land. We wanna uproot wicked structures that have been established in the spiritual realm. We wanna render the king's decrees, and we wanna release the full measure of blessing that the Lord has for the land and the people. And the ultimate goal of spiritual mapping is really to be able to see people, cities, institutions, whatever it is, reach their full potential with what God has called them to do. And we're really hoping to see transformation in communities.

Now what transformation is is when the power of the gospel is is able to go forth, and the Holy Spirit moves throughout a community such that it begins to change the entire community. And so you'll see people come into a revelation that Jesus is the son of the living God, and they'll surrender their lives to him. And you'll see church growth is is one of the first things you begin to see. Now what sets apart revival from transformation, because you'll see that with revival as well, is transformation you will begin to see changes in community life across various applications. So for example, you'll begin to see crime rates drop.

This is why in the research part we look at demographics. We look we want to see, okay, what is the crime rate? Which amazingly is very low here. You can all leave your cars unlocked with keys in them and doors open to homes and The ticket's like no. Okay.

Maybe not. We've got a resident police officer.

It's because he's not doing it. Ah, there we go.

But looking at, you know, what the crime rate is as a baseline measure, and then once you begin doing the prayer initiatives and you see the Lord move, then you go back and you see, okay, is there a shift in crime? You'll also see, like, broken marriages restored, so the divorce rate will decline. You'll see businesses start to flourish, so bankruptcies drop. Even, you know, principals and teachers in schools, you'll see them more open to the gospel coming into their schools through prayer, through bible studies, and then you can see, like, mayors and local politicians gathering for large prayer events. These are some of the signs of community transformation that have been documented across the earth, and it has happened in multiple locations, in multiple continents.

So it's very exciting. Now there are some factors that can lead to community transformation, and there's five that George Otis Jr. Identified, and he is the foremost expert in spiritual mapping. He coined the term in 1991. And so the five factors that can lead to transformation transformation is is persevering leadership, and this is persevering leadership in the Christian community.

So these are, you know, spiritual gatekeepers, pastors, ministers of ministries that have committed to staying put. There isn't a lot of movement to other, like, pastors coming in and out, like constantly moving. These are people who are committed to the land, committed to the people. The second one is fervent united prayer, and that is self explanatory. Then you have social reconciliation.

This could be like, there's tons of broken covenants. I think The United States broke nearly every covenant or covenant? Yeah. Every covenant with Native American tribes. And so social reconciliation could look like relationships with some of the native tribes to this land and recognizing the atrocities that have happened to them.

Then you have public power encounters. These can be things like well, we experienced one in Columbia, Tennessee a couple of years ago. We were part we had the opportunity to to go to Charity Gale's live recording of her new worship album, Rejoice, which I highly recommend. It is incredible, and she has a heart of gold. Her worship is spirit and in truth.

And we had gathered for this, and our worship was like straight vertical into the throne room, and it was a weapon. And the next day, two psychic operations shut down in Columbia, Tennessee. And so that's an example of a power encounter. And then the fifth one is the diagnostic research or the spiritual mapping. So the two factors that are present in every single transformation that's been documented across the earth are persevering leadership within the Christian church and fervent united prayer.

Those are considered the two pillars of community transformation. So if you have that and you add spiritual mapping, you can set the stage to see transformation come to your community. Now one other thing to think about with spiritual mapping is you can think of it like it's like this systematic way of doing research and prayer. And so it's combining the objective and So the subjective would be, you know, the discernment that we the revelation that comes from the discernment, and we combine that with the objective, which is the diagnostic research. So we're getting both to bring confirmation that, okay, this is something we need to pray into.

And technically speaking, so spiritual mapping is the intelligence that allows spiritual warfare to be effective. And so I think about oftentimes I speak about a spiritual mapping team like special forces unit in the military. And so when you think about, like, Navy SEALs, they have quality intelligence that allows them to carry out their mission with precision. Well, in the same way, that's what we want to do with spiritual mapping is we want to gather quality intelligence, and we want to provide that for intercessors to be able to strike the mark get out the root of the issues. Okay.

So that's an overview of spiritual mapping. Now what I want to do is kind of get into a little bit of the nitty gritties, and we're going to talk about ley lines, portals, spiritual gates, and spiritual grids. So some of us experienced leylines today in the reconnaissance that we did. So what a leyline is is it's a spiritual passageway between geographically aligned high places of false worship. And so these high places act like power points, and what they do is they infuse the ley line with power.

You can think of it so they're like highways for demonic travel or or other entities travel along that, and you can feel them. And that's what some of the the teams that went out, they they could feel the ley lines. And so these power points are then reinforced by ongoing bloodshed, false worship, and idolatry that happens there. Even rituals can reinforce the power points. Now portals in spiritual gates, you can think of those as passageways vertically.

So it's a passageway between the spiritual realm and the earth realm. And a biblical example of this is what we see in Genesis 28, and I'll read verse 12, and this is 16 through 17. This is Jacob, you know, his dream about seeing the angels ascending and descending. He said he had a dream in which he saw a stairway resting on the earth with its top reaching to heaven, and the angels of God were ascending and descending on it. When Jacob awoke from his sleep, he thought, surely the Lord is in this place, and I was not aware of it.

He was afraid and said, how awesome is this place? This is none other than the house of God. This is the gate of heaven. So when you look at the Hebrew word for gate, it's Sha'ar, and it means an entrance to a city, palace, or a temple. And this was a place where, you know, kings, rulers, judges, they would sit in the gates of the city and they would conduct important business.

And so spiritual gates are oftentimes places of prominence. Now most people, they don't differentiate between portals and spiritual gates, but I happen to think there's a subtle difference, and it has to do with, you know, gates are in that place of prominence. So this could be, you know, places of prominence in a city, in a region, in a nation, and I'll get to a little bit more in Jackson, a spiritual gate that the Lord showed me towards the end. But portals are not necessarily in places of prominence. So portals can exist because there's ongoing worship in a particular location, whether that's worship in spirit and in truth or false worship.

So you can establish a portal here. You may have already established a portal here where you have angelic visitation. You can like when you walk in, you just feel the presence of the Lord. We have a portal in our front room. I've had some intercessors come over, a good friend from she's a missionary in Indonesia, and she walked into our front room one time and she's like, there is a portal here.

Well, that's because it's where I commune with the Lord all the time in the wee hours of the morning is in our front room. You can have portals anywhere. We've had portals in high schools before. Not good ones, false, you know, portals that were altars of offense. Well, when there's false worship offered up continually in a location, there can be a portal.

And so portals and spiritual gates can be both places either of angelic visitation or places of demonic visitation. And so you can cleanse a portal and cleanse a spiritual gate, and you do that through well, we always wanna ask the Lord for the strategy of how to do that. I have been involved in three three different portals that we have cleansed, and and all three times it involved worship in spirit and in truth. And so we would worship until we felt the shift, and we felt the angelic presence. And I'm a seer, and so I can see when angels come or I can see the demonic, and so that always helps.

You can have people who are feelers, who can feel a like a tangible shift in the atmosphere. That's when you know it's been cleansed. Let's see. Okay. So, again, with ley lines, there's spiritual pathways that are established by these geographically aligned high places.

And when you have multiple connections, you can get a grid, a spiritual grid over a territory. And the people that live among the grid may have no idea that it's there, but they still experience the ill effects of it. And so my first experience of a spiritual grid was in Torino, Italy, and this is where Jessica comes in because Jessica was a youth in our youth group. So I was youth minister at the time, and the reason I went to Torino was, this was in 2005, it was because I was training the local churches in spiritual mapping to prepare them for the spiritual dynamics that come with hosting the Olympics. So we hosted the Olympics in 2002 in Salt Lake, and our spiritual mapping team was very involved in prayer initiatives.

We did we wrote a prayer brief and equipped intercessors that came from multiple states. And the Lord did amazing things at the Salt Lake Olympics. And so, anyways, that opened a door for me to go and train. So I brought three youth with me, and Jessica was one of them. And these youth were amazing.

And Chris, Marianne's son, was another one. And so these youth had never been outside of The United States, and I take them to Torino. Well, Torino is a very spiritually dark place. So thank you, Mary Anne, for entrusting your son with me because I had no idea how spiritually dark it was. So we get there, and I am not like a super strong discerner.

I can discern, but I have to like get into a zone. Bryson can wake up out of bed and hit the ground, and he's discerning. But for me, when I'm in like incredibly spiritually dark places, I don't have to, like, get in a zone. It hit me right away. I started feeling nauseous, dizzy, confused, weak in the legs, and quickly realized that Torino is the witchcraft capital of the world, and it is the intersection of two witchcraft triangles across the earth.

So the black magic triangle is London, San Francisco, and Torino, and the white magic triangle is Lyon, Prague, and Torino. So being the apex of those triangles, Torino has earned the reputation of being the witchcraft capital of the world. And so here we are. You know, I'm a youth leader, and I bring these three youth with me. Well, it was pretty intense.

We hit the ground running in ministry, and it was pretty intense. There was a portal in the room that I put Jessica in. Did not know that. Her and the other I had two Jessica's that came. And so there was, I don't know, maybe day three or four, I could sense that they just needed some love and care and ministry because and debriefing because we had had some pretty intense experiences.

So I take them for a walk, and we're gonna go for a walk down into this valley that's below our friend's house that we're staying in. And this is in Pecceto Turinese, which is like a suburb of Torino. And it's everything, like, you can think of, like a beautiful Italian valley, and, you know, green, lush, and it's just gorgeous. So we're walking and thinking we're gonna have this just wonderful time of connecting with one another, and I'm gonna love and care on them. And all of a sudden, I see all of these particles or beings, like, moving away from me at high speed.

And it's I liken it to the scene in Star Wars where the Millennium Falcon goes into hyperdrive and all the stars, like, come at, that's what I saw only in reverse. And I don't remember if it was you or Jessica Glenn, but when I shared that, one of you said I could they could feel the movement pass through their body. And so we realized, okay. The Lord has brought us here. What is this?

Well, Chris, Marianne's son, incredibly discerning young man as well. And he would take, like, five steps and get, like, a pain in his shoulder blade or, you know, a headache or something. And so we would stop, and we would ask the Lord, what what is it? What are you showing us? So what the Holy Spirit began to reveal is that we were in the middle of a spiritual grid, and we were on a ley line as part of that grid.

And we knew that the Lord had called us there to sever that ley line. So Chris picks up a stick. Well, the other thing I should say is the other thing that all four of us experienced before we did the prayer was the presence of a distinctive foul odor, much like a combination of manure and sulfur. And so there weren't any cows around that we could see, and so it was a very I mean, it was a very distinctive smell, kind of like when you're in Yellowstone, really, that that smell. But there was there was no reason for it in the in the physical realm.

So, anyways, we realized, okay, the Lord has asked us to sever this ley line. And so Chris picks up a stick about this big, and he picks it up over his head, and he nearly falls back from the weight of this stick. And I saw in the spiritual realm this huge sword. And he takes it, and he just severs that ley line. And then we we think we're done.

We're like, okay. We did what the Lord wanted us to do, and we take, we keep walking. And about five steps again, he gets another pain. And so we stop, and we're like, okay, Lord, what are you showing us? And the Holy Spirit said, you didn't fill the void you just created.

I was like, oh my gosh. And so we invited the presence of the Holy Spirit, and the smell changed immediately to this fresh pine scent. And so that helped us realize that we had completed what the Lord asked us to do. So we were super excited to go back and tell our friend who lives there, and she said she actually wasn't surprised because the locals talk about the energy flow in that valley and people travel from long distances to experience it. So that's an example of a spiritual grid.

One of the things that I I think I'll pause here, and Jessica just she didn't want to share, so I'm gonna, like, just ask her a little a few questions. But one of the things that I wanna encourage you all, like, as you're growing in these gifts, I know you guys have a heart for young people. It is so important to train up the younger generation. Like, when we would go to Riverton High School, which is the time that we went to Riverton High School, it was the largest high school in Utah at the time. And we had elementary kids all the way up to college and adults.

And we had people from multiple states come, and even the people from Italy came when we were doing some of our reconnaissance. And so it is so good to train the younger people. So, Jessica, my question for you is, first of all, share anything that you want about the what it was like being there, the intensity of it, and then how do you feel like it made an impact on your life moving forward?

Yeah. So first of all, I just wanna give honor to where honor is due, and Laura spiritually mothered me in a way that I didn't have at home. So going on that trip taught me a lot spiritually that I didn't know. So thinking about that too, I'm like, I guess you could say I was more afraid of humans than I was of demons after that. So it was heavy and without a lot of, like I mean, we were in training, so it was very heavy.

And I I love that Laura took the opportunity to empower us and not give, like, so much information that almost like when you're guiding, you know, when you guide someone with information, it was like she was like, what do you think? Like, you carry the same holy spirit. Right? So there was a lot of that and learning a lot. What was your other question?

How has that impacted you moving forward?

Yeah. So I was 16. And moving forward, there was so much empowerment in that we were activated in our gifts of discernment, of prophecy. We spent hours prophesying over the local people there at that church. First time I'd ever done that with a translator.

And I loved it because you take those tools home with you, and I applied them in everyday life. I applied them when I went to high school. I applied them in college. We even talked about in the car, I applied them to how I babysat. There were little kids that would talk about seeing demons, monsters, monkeys in their room.

And I would just go in and be like, okay. Like, we're gonna pray over them. Like, we're gonna cast them out. And even now, I'm a mom of four, and it has given me opportunity to teach my children from a young age. And I want to encourage you guys, it's not about introducing our kids to fear.

It's about giving them a map and saying, you know, the road ahead of you, here's a map. Like, wouldn't imagine putting your kid in the car and saying, learn how to drive and get from point a to point b without a map. And so it's zooming in and saying, this is what you do when you get here. And so I've been able to apply that to parenting, to life, and like I said, it's so empowering that you have tools. You know what to do.

Mhmm. Awesome. Yeah.

Oh, and I was gonna ask, can

I just pray over their kids? Would that be okay? Yeah.

Okay. Lord, thank you so much for everyone here. God, thank you for the influence the parents in this room have on their children. God, I ask that you would give them creativity, that you would continue to remind their children them to teach their children they have the same holy spirit. God, give them strategies.

Lord, let it be easy. I pray for peace in the home. I pray that they would empower their children and encourage them that the Joel two children would rise up, and they would dream dreams and prophecy Mhmm. In Jesus' name.

Amen. Amen. Thank you, Jessica. Yeah. I think she brings up such a good point about our children, and, you know, our children are more in tune with the spiritual realm oftentimes than we are.

And, you know, when they say there's a monster under my bed, there probably is a demonic presence under their bed that they're sensing. And so as parents, we wanna equip them how to do spiritual warfare, how to pray, how to, you know, declare the word of God, how to worship. Those things are powerful, and it will stick with them the rest of their lives. So okay. So now I wanna transition.

We're gonna talk about the water kingdom. Now the water kingdom, I was doing spiritual mapping. Well, I started doing spiritual mapping in '98, and so I had been doing spiritual mapping for about twenty five years before I clued into the water kingdom. So don't feel bad if you've never considered the water kingdom because I was at it a long time. And so for me, the Lord began teaching me this two summers ago.

Tom and I were celebrating our thirty first wedding anniversary in The Bahamas, and I am a morning person. My favorite time on the beach in fact, I have a picture of a sunrise. My favorite time on the beach is catching nope. Not that one. That one.

Catching the the first light of dawn. So my my jam is every morning, I'll go down beachside, and I have my Bible, my journal, my tablet, and my phone, and a hot cup of tea, and I am set for hours. And so I absolutely love going. Well, a couple of mornings, there were some storms. And so one morning, I was there, and I was, you know, just journaling, having a great time with the Lord, and I hear thunder.

And so I look up, and you can go to that next one that you were at before. And I see this storm, and you can kind of see sheets of rain coming down. And I was like, oh, man. Because Tom is not on vacation. He loves to sleep.

Go figure. And we have like this little studio, and so I can't turn on the light and continue having my time with the Lord. I'd wake him up. So I just asked the Lord. I was like, can you just like move the storm somewhere else?

And he said, you command the storm. And I was like, what? And he said, you command the storm. Now if you were to weigh my faith versus doubt in that moment, I was probably like 51% faith and 49% doubt. So with that little faith, I just told that storm to dissipate and not rain on me.

And then I just went back to journaling. And I'm one of those people that I love how you described me. The Holy Spirit is my best friend. And I can get lost in the presence of the Lord in a good way. It's not good when I'm driving.

That that becomes a bit of a challenge. But, like, I can lose track of time, that sort of thing. So I had just told this storm to go away, and then I just get back into the word and journaling and the presence of the Lord, and I forget that there's there's a storm out there. And then I kind of clued in, I don't know, maybe five or ten minutes later that I was no longer hearing thunder. So I looked up, and the storm was completely gone.

Like, I couldn't even see it on the horizon, and I was shocked. And the Holy Spirit said, Imagine what you can do with more faith. I was like, Oh, man, Lord. Forgive me. So the next day, same routine, I'm out there, you know, doing my thing with the Lord, and I hear thunder again.

And I look up, and you can go to that next one, and I see an even bigger storm. And this one, you know, sheets of rain, thunder and lightning, and a water spout or a tornado. And I think I might have one do I have one more that zooms in? No. Okay.

You can go back. I didn't include that one. So I know enough now to realize that just because the Lord told me to command yesterday's storm, I don't get to also command today's storm. And so I asked the Lord, what should I do? And he said, command the storm.

And so I was like, oh my gosh. So this one was much bigger, and I knew I had to muster up more faith. And so I grabbed my travel bible, which I think is still in my purse, but it is like a lightweight travel Bible that I've had forever. And I stand up, and I'm probably this is maybe like, I don't know, 06:30 in the morning, and there's one other person on the beach, like, way far down. But I'm standing up.

I've got my Bible in hand, and I just start telling that storm who I am in Christ. And I start quoting Colossians two:nine and 10 which says, For in Christ all the fullness of the deity lives in bodily form, and you have been given fullness in Christ to his head over every power and authority. And so I'm telling this storm that because Jesus commands the winds and the waves and they obey, I am telling you, you are gonna split in half. Half your rain's gonna go to the East, and half of your rain's gonna go to the West, and there's no rain that's gonna fall on the beach. And I was like, you know, kind of like warrior mode.

And then the storm kept coming. Now the winds hit the beach, and they were, like, I couldn't keep my Bible open kind of winds. And, like, doubt is just, like, building up in me, and the Holy Spirit reminds me of second Corinthians five:seven, which says, We live by faith and not by sight. And so I realized, like, I have got to get my eyes off this storm and onto Jesus. And so I sat down, and I just started journaling.

Now I am all in at this point because I've got electronics with me. I've got my Bible, my journal. Like, if I get drenched, stuff that's dear to me, my journal most like most I mean, I can replace the electronics, but stuff is gonna get ruined. So I'm all in, and I'm like journaling in my I have to have my arm over the pages of my journal because the wind is so strong, and I'm just like writing and commanding. And then I just, again, just kind of get lost in the presence of the Lord, and I calm down, and I'm writing, and just and I realized, like, I don't know again how much time passed, maybe ten minutes or so, but I realized, oh, wait.

It's not windy anymore. And I look up, and that storm did exactly what I told it to do. And you can go to that next picture. So sun began to break out, and it's hard to see here. Is it on this one?

No. It's hard to see there too. There are sheets of rain to the East and sheets of rain to the West, but no rain fell on the beach where I was at, and I just erupted in worship. I was, again, shocked. Now when I got back from The Bahamas, the Lord began teaching me that the storms that he had me command were the storms generated by water spirits because he didn't have me command every storm.

There were other storms that he just said, take cover, and I wasn't to command them. And so he was teaching me how to exercise the authority that we have over water gods and over water spirits. So as I share the next part of the story, I'm going to share about a location in our country, but I have to use fictitious names and locations because the spiritual mapping is still ongoing, and we have to be in stealth mode because there is a lot happening in this area. But I was I traveled in 2023, a month after or two months after I got back from The Bahamas. I went to this major metropolitan area in our country, and I went to a city on the outskirts.

And I'll call it Lakeshore because it was right on a lake. And this major metropolitan city is like ground zero for the bloodshed of innocent millions of innocent lives. And as I was preparing to go, I was reading Psalm one forty four, and as I was reading that, the Lord told me that Lakeshore is dealing with water spirits. Now let me first kind of lay a little bit of a foundation for the water kingdom, and our understanding of water spirits. So in scripture, there's three realms talked about, and that's the earth, the waters, and the heavenlies.

And we see this in Exodus 20 verse four. It says, you shall not make for yourself an idol or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. So there's the three realms mentioned. Well, in Ezekiel twenty six sixteen, you know how sometimes you read scripture and you're like, oh, I'm not really sure what that means, I'll just keep reading. Once the Lord gave me a grid and an understanding for the water kingdom, I'm like, oh my gosh.

It's right here. So Ezekiel twenty six sixteen says, then all the princes of the sea will come down from their thrones, lay aside their robes, and take off their embroidered garments. They will clothe themselves with trembling. They will sit on the ground, tremble every moment, and be astonished at you. So this term, princes of the sea, are the water gods.

These are the water spirits. And, you know, you think about the earth. 71% of the earth is covered in waters. Well, Satan has chosen to build his power base from the waters, and we see this in Revelation 13 because the beast arises out of the waters. This is verse one.

The dragon stood on the shore of the sea, and I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had 10 horns and seven heads with 10 crowns on its horns and each head a blasphemous name. Now, again, many people don't understand about the water kingdom. So, like, don't don't feel bad. I I mentioned it took me quite a while.

And one of the things the Lord began showing me is scripture, oftentimes when you see the phrase mighty waters, that's referring to the water kingdom. And we can see this in Psalm 29 verse three. It says, the voice of the Lord is over the waters. The God of glory thunders. The Lord thunders over the mighty waters.

So the first mention of waters in this passage is the waters that cover the earth. But the second mention is in mighty waters. This is referring to the water kingdom, and we see this when we consider the Hebrew word for mighty. It's Rav, and it means abundant, great, strong, captain, chief, and prince. And so mighty waters is referring to the prince of the waters or the water gods.

And the good news is that Yahweh is gonna eradicate the water kingdom at the end of the age, and we see this in Revelation twenty one one. It says, then I saw a new heaven and a new earth. For the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. And so when the new heaven and new earth come, there's not gonna be a water kingdom. There's not gonna be a sea.

And at that point, the beast, the false prophet, the devil, they've been already thrown into the fiery lake of hell. And so Yahweh completely removes Satan's base from the waters. But until that time, we cannot ignore the water kingdom. So back to the story of this ministry trip to this to Lakeshore. So as with all of my trips, I am blessed to have intercessors that pray for me.

And sometimes those intercessors are different depending on the the season of life or the season of ministry. So back then, I had a different group of intercessors than I do now. Mary Anne is one of the intercessors that prays for me now, which I'm so blessed by. But so this team of intercessors started to get discernment and revelation even before I got to Lakeshore. And one of the intercessors said that this whole metropolitan area is dealing with mind numbing black goo and Egyptian based paganism.

And what he saw was mounted above church doors were squid and octopus releasing black goo, and so that as people walk into the church, they're traipsing that black goo all over the place. And I happened to be he he's when he sent that to me, I was reading John Eckhart's book called water demons, and he writes this. He says or excuse me, it's called marine demons is the name of the book. He says, squid and octopus spirits are mind binding and mind controlling spirits that have tentacles wrapped around the minds of people hindering them from thinking clearly. These spirits cause much confusion and keep people from seeing the truth.

These are powerful spirits that often require fasting to break. So that brought some confirmation of what this intercessor was sensing. Now another intercessor on the team, she saw in the spirit a water spout that was over what I will call the Turtle Cove development. Now Turtle Cove was this massive development just outside of Lakeshore. It was right on the lake, and it was oh, I should say this, Mary Anne was on that trip with me, which is awesome.

So it was slated to be a resort, businesses, and a housing development. And what she saw in the spirit was the debris kind of coming off that water spout were squid and octopus. Well, I received confirmation as I was doing a little digging, some research, and I found a video rendition of what the Turtle Cove development will look like when it's finished. And they had in one of the bays, they had this island that had a massive waterfall, and behind the waterfall was this Jumbotron screen, and on the screen, they were showing a video that was featuring squid and octopus. And so that was just some confirmation for me.

Well, the land near Turtle Cove was defiled by broken covenants and corrupt business deals. So back in the eighties and this is why you want to do some of the spiritual mapping research. You get the understanding of the history. So back in the eighties, there was a large real estate developer who actually was responsible in part for the housing crash of eighty seven, and he was developing land near Turtle Cove. Well, he and five others went to prison because of the fraud that they had committed there.

And then Turtle Cove, the the development that was going on at that moment, it was started by the economic development director of Lakeshore, and it was fraught with corruption. It was this massive pay to play scheme. And he actually fled the state because of lawsuits that were coming after him as well. Well, in preparing for my trip to Lakeshore, the Lord told me that they are dealing with the water spirit Rahab. Now this is not Rahab of Jericho.

It's Rahab it's a sea monster that symbolizes Egypt. And so I'll read a couple scriptures. This is Psalm eighty nine nine through 10. You rule the raging of the sea when its waves rise. You still them.

You have broken Rahab in pieces as one who was slain. You have scattered your enemies with your mighty arm. And then Job nine thirteen says, God does not restrain his anger. Even the cohorts of Rahab cowered at his feet. Job twenty six twelve says, by his power, he turned up the sea.

By his wisdom, he cut Rahab to pieces. And then Isaiah 30 verse seven, it says, to Egypt whose help is utterly useless, therefore I call her Rahab, the do nothing. So it's interesting that Rahab is connected with Egypt. Now when you look at the name Rahab, it means breath, storm, arrogance, mythical sea monster emblematic of Egypt. And it comes from a Hebrew root word that means bluster, proud, and strength.

So Rahab manifests in pride, and it was pride that hardened Pharaoh's heart. So let's look a little bit at why Rahab is symbolic of Egypt. So, in reading Exodus seven, this is verse 14 through 18, it says, then the Lord said to Moses, Pharaoh's heart is unyielding. He refuses to let the people go. Go to Pharaoh in the morning as he goes out to the river.

Confront him on the bank of the Nile and take in your hand the staff that was changed into a snake. Then say to him, the Lord, the God of the Hebrews, has sent me to say to you, let my people go so that they may worship me in the wilderness. But until now, you have not listened. This is what the Lord says, by this you will know that I am the Lord. With the staff that is in my hand, I will strike the water of the Nile, and it will be changed into blood.

The fish in the Nile will die, and the river will stink. The Egyptians will not be able to drink its water. So here we see, Pharaoh went down to the river in the morning, every morning. Now why did he do that? Now some commentators say that it was because, you know, he was going to refresh himself in the cool temperatures of the Nile in the morning.

And while that certainly could be part of the reason, I think more importantly, he was going to consult with the water gods. See, the Egyptians considered the Nile to be sacred. And so he was going down every morning to gain power from the water gods that allowed him to rule and reign, just like we go and spend time with the Lord in the morning for strength for our day. Well, Pharaoh was filled with pride and manifest and that's a manifestation of Rahab. And he thought he could go against almighty Elohim, but the first of the 10 plagues, Yahweh dealt with the water gods, you know, when he turned the water Nile into blood.

We also see that Yahweh, when he parted the Red Sea, he dealt with the water gods as well. And this is in Psalm 74. This is, verse 13 through 14. It says, it was you who split open the sea by your power. You broke the heads of the monsters in the waters.

It was you who crushed the heads of Leviathan and gave it as food to the creatures of the desert. Now back to my story about going to Lakeshore. While I was on the flight to this major city, the Lord said that Lakeshore is a spiritual gate for Rahab into this major metropolitan area. And so I needed to let the intercessors know that their city was a spiritual gate. Now oftentimes should I pause to that stop?

Okay. Oftentimes, what happens is you will see and we saw this a little bit today, is you will see a manifestation in the physical realm of what's going on in the spiritual realm. So for example, when there's a spiritual gate that involves a water god, oftentimes you will see, like, names of streets or businesses or, you know, hotels or landmarks, statues that are common themes to water gods. And sure enough, as I was doing some of the research, the lakeshore had names of streets like Mermaid Circle, Neptune Circle. There was a hair salon called the Mermaid Sea Lawn, and their moniker was we believe in mermaids.

Well, mermaids are real. Characters, but they're not. They're real. They are part of the water kingdom. They are vicious, and they kill.

They they lure, oftentimes, sailors. They're very sexual, enticing. They lure them in, and they kill them in the waters. And so when they're saying we believe in mermaids, they are worshiping mermaids or worshiping a water god. Starbucks, that is you are funding the water kingdom every time you go to Starbucks.

There are also stores like Mindful Mermaid. This was a metaphysical store that had crystals and tarot cards and all of this. There was the Mermaid Bar, the Mermaid Raw Bar and Champagne, and then the Neptune Society. So there was a lot of focus in the physical on Water Kingdom stuff. Well, then the Lord drew my attention to one particular church in this major metropolitan area, and it boasts of 57,000 members.

And I watched an online service. I only watched about two minutes is all I could stomach. And the associate pastor got up and he was about to preach. And before he started his sermon, he said, This is the greatest church in the world, and I wanted to vomit. And that is a clear display of pride and a manifestation of Rahab.

And again, Rahab is this arrogant sea monster, has a multitude of water spirits, demonic demons working in conjunction. But God opposes the proud and will bring judgment to these water gods. Well, another confirmation came while I was there. I was meeting with a good friend of ours. Mary Anne and I were meeting with a good friend of ours.

And she's a singer songwriter, and she had been ministering years ago at a women's conference, maybe two or three years before we got there. And at this women's conference, you know, there's women from all over, and she and an intercessor were praying. And the women that they prayed for that were from this church, when the intercessor would pray, she saw squid and octopus on their forehead releasing black goo. And so that was confirmation for what the Lord was showing. So Mary Anne and I had opportunity with one of the local intercessors to go and do reconnaissance prayer on the church grounds.

And as you can imagine, this is a massive church. It takes up a city block. And so the the auditorium, the big main building, has this large circular driveway with this huge awning, and it's green. Right? And at the end of the awning so when you come out the building, you know, if you look down the awning at the end is a Jesus statue.

And when we looked at that Jesus statue, we could discern watcher spirits. Now if you've never discerned a watcher spirit, what watcher spirits do is they they're kind of like spies for the kingdom of darkness. So they will look to see what's going on, and then they'll report to their higher ups. And how I discern watcher spirits is they can be in animals, they can be in statues, they can be in paintings, all sorts of things. I was in Greece and incredibly bored in the archaeological museum.

It was the day after we arrived. I was jetlagging, and our tour guide was taking, like, four hours to go through this museum. And so I was really bored in one of the rooms, and it was like all these statues, like heads, busts of that they had found. And so I thought, oh, I'm just gonna sharpen my discernment and see, like, which ones have watcher spirits. And not all of them did, but you could I could definitely tell.

So how you can tell is when you look into the eyes of, something that has a watcher spirit, when the eyes look like they're penetrating through you, that's a spirit that's there. So it's like you can kind of move and it feels like they're following you, and it feels like they're penetrating. Well, the pastor that this is a totally different trip, but the pastor that was on the trip with me, I'm like, have you ever discerned watcher spirits? And she's like, no. What is that?

And I said, well, come with me. And so we went into this room, and and I explained to her, and and she went around to every statue, and she nailed it every time there was a watcher spirit, she could see it. So anyways, back to, this big church with the Jesus statue. It had a watcher spirit in it. Well, behind it were pools of water.

And in the pools, Mary Anne and I discerned watchers or water spirits in the pools. And our friend that was the intercessor, she's like, oh my gosh. They baptize in those waters. And I was like, oh, dear Jesus. And we were just doing reconnaissance prayer.

Reconnaissance prayer is not the spiritual warfare prayer of informed intercession. So we didn't have permission to do any sort of warfare. We were just doing what we did today at this church campus. So we leave the trip, come home. About a month or two later, this intercessor calls me, and she said, Laura, someone committed suicide at that Jesus statue.

And as tragic as that is, it brought confirmation because water spirits bring death to their waters. And that opened a door for these intercessors to be able to pray on the church campus. Now it only lasted for about two to three weeks, because the leaders of the church are operating under this water god. And so they are completely I mean, I don't think they know they are, but they are. And so they shut down the intercession.

And this brings up a really good point, and that is as intercessors, we have to only move in the timing of the Lord. I have made the mistake in my zealousness of, you know, wanting to go take that mountain. You know, the Lord shows me a principality up there. I'm like, oh, we must need to go. No.

We have to wait until the timing of the Lord. And, you know, I've paid some consequences for doing that. And so I've learned the hard way that you only go in the timing of the Lord because we want to have that protection. It's a little bit like being in a pelting rainstorm, and you decide to step out from the umbrella, you're gonna get pelted. So, make sure we operate in the timing of the Lord.

So those intercessors could no longer do the intercession that needs to take place on that church campus. So I want to talk a little bit about I'll pick up on that story in just a moment. I want to talk about strategies to defeat water spirits, and this comes from scripture, and there's eight different strategies. And when we're doing spiritual mapping, we are always asking the Holy Spirit to show us the strategy. Because just like Joshua, when he when they went in to the promised land, when they took the different cities that they did, not one strategy was the same.

So we always want to ask the Lord. The Lord is not into formulas. We don't want to be involved in formulas. Formulas are witchcraft, and there's a lot of power in formulas, but it's the wrong power. And so we constantly want to come before the Lord and say, okay, what is the strategy?

So even though I'm giving you, like, eight different strategies, we ask the Lord, okay, what is it this time? What do you want us to do in this one? So the first strategy is confess and repent, and this touches on a concept called identificational repentance. And there's biblical examples of this in Daniel nine, Ezra nine, Nehemiah one, and Jeremiah three. And so what identificational repentance is is, first of all, it's not a prayer to absolve the dead of their responsibility of sin before God, nor is it vicarious repentance as in standing in substitution for someone else.

What identificational repentance does is it releases the current generation from the consequences of sin from previous generations. And so, we see this in Psalm 32. We see how important repentance is in defeating water spirits. This is verse five through seven in Psalm 32. It says, then I acknowledged my sin to you and did not cover up my iniquity.

I said, I will confess my transgressions to the Lord, and you forgave the guilt of my sin. Therefore, let everyone who is godly pray to you while you may be found. Surely when the mighty waters rise, mighty waters, water kingdom, they will not reach him. So one way to defeat the water kingdom and from it attacking you is repentance. Also, fasting is the second one.

Oftentimes, water spirits are only expelled through fasting. And that's because fasting is a self humbling act, you know, it's the opposite of walking in pride. And it it bolsters our spiritual warfare. What we see in Matthew 17, this is verse 16 through 23. It says, Lord, have mercy on my son for he is an epileptic and suffers severely for he often falls into the fire and often into the water.

So I brought him to your disciples, but they could not cure him. Then Jesus answered and said, oh faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? How long shall I bear with you? Bring him here to me. And Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out of him, and the child was cured from that very hour.

Then the disciples came to Jesus privately and said, why could we not cast it out? So Jesus said to them, because of your unbelief, for assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith as a mustard seed, you shall say to this mountain, move from here to there, and it will move, and nothing will be impossible for you. However, this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting. Well, this was a water spirit that was torturing this boy, and one way we know that is it was trying to drown the boy. That was one method of trying to kill.

And and again, water gods, water spirits, they bring death to their waters because that's iniquity force that empowers their kingdom. Another strategy is we wanna worship and extol the name of the Lord over the waters because water spirits hate praise. Another one is decreeing God's word over the waters. Now this becomes important because of how powerful the word of God is. And so you can write scripture on rocks, like with a Sharpie, write the, like, the address of the scripture and throw it into the waters.

And the beautiful thing that we know now from research is we know that water has memory. We know that water responds even to written words. So Masaru Imoto, Japanese researcher, he did a ton of research on water molecules. And what he did is he looked at the impact of positive and negative messages on water molecules. And so he he examined the crystallized form of water molecules under a microscope, and he wrote words on little strips of paper and taped them to the water bottles and then froze them.

And so he studied the crystallized form of that water molecule under a microscope, and what he found is that the water molecule changed in structure depending on the message it received. And so words like, you fool, or I hate you, formed this ugly chaotic water crystal. Like, you couldn't really even tell it was a crystal, like a snowflake. Words like love and beautiful formed these beautifully perfect water crystals. Well, obviously, water can't read, but everything has a frequency.

So the frequency from the written word caused a vibration such that it changed the structure of the water molecule. And so this demonstrates that blessings have beauty. You know, they bring forth life and they can heal, whereas curses can destroy. And so when we throw the word of God or deposit the word of God into water, it literally changes the structure of the water molecules. So that's another strategy.

We can cleanse the waters with salt. This comes from second Kings two nineteen through 22. It says, The people of the city said to Elisha, 'Look, our Lord, this town is well situated as you can see, but the water is bad and the land is unproductive. Bring me in a new bowl, he said, and put salt in it. So they brought it to him.

Then he went out to the spring and threw the salt into it saying, this is what the Lord says, I have healed this water. Never again will it cause death or make the land unproductive, and the water has remained pure to this day according to the word Elisha had spoken. One time the Lord had me cleanse water this way. We live in a community that has a lake, and I paddleboard all the time. And the Lord has asked me to steward that lake.

And so I'm constantly praying as I'm on the paddleboard. I'm blessing the water. Well, we get algae blooms, and one year they were so bad they had to shut down the lake, and not only our lake, but another lake called Utah Lake, which Mary Ann lives near. And at the time, I was at a different church than I am now, and the senior minister at that church, she felt like the Lord told her to take salt and go cleanse Utah Lake. And I didn't know the Lord told her to do that, and the Lord told me to take salt and go cleanse the Daybreak Lake.

And so we both did that not knowing each other was doing it, and both lakes, within days, the algae blooms receded and they opened the lakes back up. And so that's just the power of following the strategies that the Holy Spirit gives. Another one is blowing the shofar over the waters. Do you guys have shofars here? Yeah.

Yeah? Okay. I love shofars. I mean, that represents releasing the voice of the Lord over the waters. And then also releasing a new song is another strategy.

And we see this in Psalm one forty four seven through 10. It says, Reach down your hand from on high. Deliver me and rescue me from the mighty waters, from the hands of foreigners whose mouths are full of lies, whose right hands are deceitful. I will sing a new song to you, my God, on the 10 stringed lyre, and I will make music to you, to the one who gives victory to kings, who delivers his servant David. So one of the ways David defeated the mighty waters, the water kingdom, was releasing a new song over the waters.

Okay. Now back to the story of Lakeshore. So after I left that trip, one of the the intercessors that initially brought me into Lakeshore, she is a spiritual gatekeeper for that city. She is she's lived there thirty two years, and she's an entrepreneur. She's a businesswoman in in the city, and she came under tremendous attack after I left.

And she caught a witch behind her property cursing her property. She actually took a picture and sent it to me. And the next day, she had thousands of water bugs all over her pool deck. And so she called the pool guy in, and they were black water bugs. And the pool guy came, and he's like, I have never seen anything like this in this region.

And that was a physical manifestation of water spirits. And then she began having water leaks in her home and in her daughter's home. Her and her daughter are in business together. And then the clients that they had already provided services for stopped paying them for the services that they provided. Then she had to pay a huge amount of taxes.

She said, Laura, I have never lost so much money in such a short period of time. Now I say that, and you all have called me here. So don't think that I'm gonna bring all of this to you. This was a very intense situation, but most intercessors would throw in the towel, but not this one. And she doubled down.

She fasted. She broke the curses over her land, over her family, over her business. She gathered the intercessors, and they went to the lake to pray. And they repented. They worshipped, and then they wrote scripture on rocks, whatever scripture the Lord showed them, and they deposited it.

They threw it into the lake. They had shofars, and they did it on one side at Lake Lakeshore, and then they went to the other side of the lake. There's another very key strategic city on the other side, and they did it there as well. And that weak breakthrough came. So in the city of Lakeshore, the mayor fired five of the department heads.

They were corrupt. They were not doing their job, so he fired them. Then they fire he fired a number of city officials all the way down to the dog catcher. She said, Laura, I've lived here thirty two years. I have never seen this kind of turnover in in local in the city offices.

And then Turtle Cove, remember that corrupt business deal that was going through, the iniquity that was on the land? It started imploding. It started going bankrupt. And then an on a wonder happened. In the middle of a torrential downpour, it burned to the ground.

It caught fire, was completely destroyed. And that was the hand of God bringing judgment on what had happened through that deal. And then the Lord there was an election, and a spirit filled believer was running for city council. It was so close that it went to a runoff, and he won in the runoff election. And so the Lord established a spirit filled Christian in city council.

And right now, this is an example of how spiritual mapping can bring breakthrough in a community. Transformation hasn't come yet, but we're seeing incredible signs of breakthrough, And the intercessors are praying that, you know, what the Lord is doing is he's uprooting those wicked structures. I mean, he burnt to the ground one of the wicked structures. And the intercessors are praying that the planting, the replanting of the city is according to the Lord's plans and purposes. So I I say all that just to encourage us that, you know, this is just an example of how the Lord can use spiritual mapping.

Now I wanna share just to kind of end our time, and then we can go into some q and a. I wanna share about Jackson Hole because we did some spiritual mapping research. We have a a researcher in Maryland who she is wonderful. She loves doing research. And I could see you doing this, Joy.

So she I think she was a journalist at one point in her life. But anyways, she has come out of the new age and is on fire for Jesus. And so she's very in tune, kind of like you are, to the supernatural realm. Anyway, so she every place that I go, I ask her, I'm like, are you up for another one? And she's like, absolutely.

Bring it on. And so she will spend time like digging and doing some of the research and then send it to me, and then I dig further. So what I'm going to present to you is just some of that. There's obviously a lot more to do. This is just a springboard.

And some of this might be to you guys like, duh. I mean, we we've known this. But this is what the Holy Spirit highlighted for us, so maybe it's like a confirmation or a reminder or like a refresher. And for me, like in in Salt Lake City, you know, we constantly have people coming through, and I had two people fly in from Nebraska who just knew that they had to come be with me, and we had to go pray at the Salt Lake Temple Square. And we have done over the 28 now so many countless prayer initiatives at Temple Square, but it is so amazing to have an outside perspective because they came in and they saw things that I never saw.

I'm like, how did I miss this? So anyways, I share that as I give this information. I'm also offering it, and you could, like, just do whatever the Holy Spirit wants you to do. I don't want any sort of expectation coming from me that you have to do something with this. It is just as the Holy Spirit directs.

Okay. So all that to say. I want to first focus on land grabs because that there's a spiritual dynamic behind the land grabs that have happened in this region. And so the Snake River Land Company back 1927. At the time, people the locals did not know who formed this company, but it was John D.

Rockefeller, Jr, so son of the oil tycoon, you know, founder of the Standard Oil, which I'll talk about in a minute. So this company was a front for Rockefeller Junior to purchase land in the Jackson Hole Valley. I don't know what you call this area, but I'm just gonna call it Jackson Hole because that's what I've known it for so long. Well, I know you call it Jackson. I call it Jackson Hole.

Hopefully, that's okay. And so people didn't know of his involvement or his intentions in purchasing the property, and so he wanted to hold on to it long enough so that the National Park Service could take it as public land. Well, the company tried to purchase a 114,000 acres and to prevent the inflation so they wouldn't have to pay for the inflation prices connected to the land. Albright, who I don't remember his first name, but he was the superintendent of Yellowstone at the time. He was the one that talked Rockefeller into purchasing the land and to keep it secret who was behind it.

Because if the locals knew that Rockefeller was the one buying it, first of all, they probably wouldn't have sold, but the other possibility is they would have asked for higher prices because the guy was loaded. And so they kept it a secret. Well, there was fifteen years of opposition from the ranchers with against the Snake River Land Company. Well, at one point, finally, the rumors broke and circulated that it was Rockefeller Junior who owned the Snake River Land Company. And so in 1930, the company was forced to release a statement that Rockefeller was the owner, and that just there was this fierce backlash that ensued.

And you can imagine, you know, the locals at the time, they felt completely duped and deceived by this outsider who came in and was using money as this power play to to grab land that really, determined the future of this whole area. And so there was a local newspaper called the Grand Teton. Do you still have that here? Okay. And they began running articles, and they were really attacking this Rockefeller crowd, this elite.

And at the time, there was a Wyoming senator, Robert Carey, and he called for a congressional investigation. And he declared that Wyoming would not be exploited or its citizens driven out to establish a monopoly for the benefit of Mr. Rockefeller's agents. And so you had somebody who was trying to stand his ground, but unfortunately, Rockefeller mowed right over him and, you know, took the land. And so what happened is there was one historian said that the events rendered the fate of Jackson Hole as a polarizing place.

And so in March 15, which is a curse that can be broken, on March 15 in 1943, FDR, he declared two hundred and twenty one thousand acres of land as the Jackson Hole National Monument. And then in 1950, the monument was merged into the expanded, you know, Grand Teton National Park. Mormon Row, one of the reasons why we went there today is because Rockefeller bought up those homesteads as well. One of the intercessors that used to pray for me, she's actually fruit of all of our prayers over the years in Salt Lake City. She was a Mormon that came to know Jesus, and dear, dear friend of mine, she has since passed on.

She is in glory with Jesus, died about a year ago. But she it was her great uncle that owned he was T. A. Moulton. So that was their barn in their family.

And she said that Rockefeller he sold it to Rockefeller, kept it secret from his family that he did that and never shared the proceeds with his family. And so there's iniquity, all sorts of iniquity on the land. I was watching a YouTube video. I think it's called, like, how billionaires are buying up Wyoming or something like that. And they interviewed a local economist.

I didn't write down his name. That would have been helpful. But he was saying that 97.1% of the land in Teton County is public land, which means 2.9% of the land is privately owned. And all of you that live here, you feel the repercussions of that because of the price of housing. It is astronomical.

And so what happens is so I want to show you this. This I believe this is part of the Nephilim agenda, which I will talk a little bit more about tomorrow morning, and I write about in my books. But the nephilim agenda, essentially, one of the aspects of it is a depopulation agenda. And Nephilim host, which is a term that I coined in the roots of the Federal Reserve, and that represents humans who have partnered with the spiritual forces of darkness to carry out the Nephilim agenda. Well, they they wanna control people, and it's essentially what the globalists are doing.

And so in this prayer brief that I wrote back in 2021 well, I wrote it in 2019 before COVID hit, and then I had to update it after COVID because the Lord showed us a whole bunch of other stuff. But in here, if I can find it oh, here it is. Okay. So as part of agenda 2030, they probably have renamed it by this point. They always change names, so they think we won't understand it's the same thing.

But this is a map of The United States. And you see all the red? That's public land that will be unusable to humans. This is their plan is and the little black dots I don't know if you could see. There's a, like, a congregation of black dots in San Diego, Southern California, up by the Bay Area.

We have some black dots in Salt Lake City. Wyoming hardly has any black dots. The black dots represent where they are gonna allow humans to live. So have you heard of fifteen minute cities? Well, fifteen minute cities are part of this plan.

And so they're trying to get us all into these incredibly densely populated areas, drive real estate prices through the roof so we can't afford to live there. Klaus Schwab of well, I think he stepped down by now, but World Economic Forum, he declared is he dead? Did somebody say he's dead? Is he dead?

I think he is.

Okay. I think we're I'm

like, wait. Breaking news. He made a declaration at one of the WER WEF forums, the World Economic Forum, is that by 2,030, the world's citizens will own nothing and be happy. Well, that's what they're doing, and that's what they've done here. They started it back in the twenties and thirties, and so this is part of the Nephilim agenda.

Now what happened also is that billionaires, as you know, you live here, have moved in. And Wyoming has the most billionaires per capita of any state. And Jackson Hole, you have the Mars family, the Waltons of Walmart, you have Joe Ricketts, the founder of TD Ameritrade, a woman named Amy Weiss. I don't know who she is, but she's the daughter of a Swiss tycoon, and the list goes on and on. Well, then what happened with COVID is, you know, around the nation, people had to stay in inside and work remotely, so there's a lot more people that are working remotely.

Well, so people that were living in cities, for example, and thought, well, I don't really have to live here anymore. Why not go somewhere where it's beautiful? So you've had an influx of Californians, right? We've had an influx in Salt Lake City Valley of Californians. I mean, I was a Californian twenty nine years ago.

It drove real estate prices through the roof in Salt Lake, and it did even worse here. And so this economist said Jackson County has the greatest income inequality in America. So there's this growing income gap between the billionaires and then all of you all. You know, people who have normal jobs, normal lives. I mean, maybe there's a billionaire in here.

Is there a billionaire in here? No. Okay.

Oh, you are. So. Maybe. Yes.

We know Jesus who owns cattle on a thousand hills. But there's this growing income gap between, you know, people, normal day people like ourselves, and the billionaires that live here. And the roots of that stem back to John D. Rockefeller, Jr, also the construction of the Jackson Lake Lodge and the Federal Reserve meetings that happened there. So I wanna now talk about the Rockefeller's influence in this region is pretty significant.

Now I would say many of the Rockefellers meet the proposed criteria that that the Lord helped me develop and that they are most likely Nephilim hosts. Now William Avery Rockefeller was the father of John d Rockefeller, the oil tycoon. And William Rockefeller, he was literally a traveling snake oil salesman, and he peddled miracle drugs and herbal remedies. Well, he was a smooth talking scam artist that his nickname was devil bill, and he fathered multiple children from many wives and mistresses. He was a bigamist.

He committed rape. He was arrested and jailed for rape. He put up bail money and then never returned. So he was a fugitive as well. He also he poised himself or posed as an eye and ear specialist, and he called himself doctor William Livingston.

So he went around all over the country pretending to be a doctor. He wasn't. All the while selling snake oil. So he was pretending that he had patented medicine, and so people would buy it, but all it was was snake oil on the inside. And so not only was he involved in that, but he sold bought and sold horses, bought and sold real estate.

Like anything he could turn around for a fast profit, he would do. And a quote from him is he said, I cheat my boys every chance I get. I want to make them sharp. And so this was John D. Rockefeller's father.

And so you have all sorts of iniquity. You've got sexual perversion. You've got broken covenants. You've got idolatry. One of the things I think I forgot to say in the very beginning about spiritual mapping and what we do with reconnaissance and all of that is we want to determine what kind of iniquity is in the land.

Because from scripture, there's four types of iniquity that can establish a stronghold over a territory, and that's sexual perversion, idolatry, broken covenants, and bloodshed. And so here you have a lot of this happening through the Rockefeller family. Well then, I'm just gonna read you an excerpt from the roots of the Federal Reserve on John D. Rockefeller. He was an innovative pioneer, but also unmistakably a ravenous predator.

At breakneck speed, he not only developed all facets of the oil industry, but he also consolidated extracting, refining, storing, shipping, and sales of black gold into a trust named Standard Oil. He combined creative management strategies with ruthlessly aggressive tactics to form the behemoth trust. By the turn of the century, Standard Oil employed a 100,000 people, utilized 4,000 miles of pipeline, and ran 5,000 oil tank railcars. And he drove his competitors to despair. Now this is interesting because one of the words I kept hearing at Mormon Row over and over again was despair.

And I believe it was coming from both the Rockefellers, but also the despair of the Mormons of what what they were going through. So anyways, he drove his competitors to despair with a stranglehold on all aspects of the industry. He was their worst nightmare. He hoarded critical industry supplies, but that was child's play compared to his manipulation of the railroads. He became most notorious for choking out the transportation of his competitors' oil products.

Railroads were the lifeblood of the economy and shaped the distribution of wealth. Small business owners were dependent upon shipment of supplies transportation of their goods. When Rockefeller negotiated advantageous backroom deals, somebody else where were we that I think it was town hall. Greta. Is Greta here?

No. She heard a bunch of rustling in the bushes and kind of looked to see what it was, couldn't find anything, walked away, then came back. There was rustling in the bushes, and the Holy Spirit just said, there's a lot of backroom stuff happening behind the scenes. And this is what, you know, the Rockefellers were famous for is negotiating all of that behind the scenes. Well, his son, John D.

Rockefeller, Jr, he was the one that purchased the town of Moran, is that how you say it, in 1929. And he began working on constructing the Jackson Lake Lodge in 1950. And so during the five years of constructing the lodge, he literally tore down the city of Moran and relocated it 11 miles away. And he didn't want any remnants of the city or the of the town near Jackson Lake Lodge because he considered it to be what was the term he used? It was like an eyesore.

And so he didn't want it to be there, and so he removed it. And it was impeding the view from the Jackson Lake Lodge. Well, Jackson Lake Lodge is operated now by Grand Teton Lodge Company whose parent company is Vail Resorts. And if you look at

bad news.

Well, some of the major shareholders of Vail Resorts is Vanguard and BlackRock, and I believe Nephilim Hosts are running those companies. They are very predatory. They are where's my little they are part of this plan as well. So Vanguard and BlackRock are buying up properties all across The United States to control the land. So the fact that they're part of the parent company is notable.

So then I want to just last thing I want to mention is the Federal Reserve meetings that happen here. So when I was doing research for my book, that's when I discovered that the Federal Reserve meets in Jackson Hole every year. And so, Joy, when you first reached out to me, I knew the Lord was calling my attention to this area because it's very strategic, not just for Wyoming, for the entire nation. So the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City, they have an economic policy symposium in Jackson Hole every year. And on their website, they say it's one of the longest standing central banking conferences in the world.

And so the event brings together economists, financial market participants, academics, US government representatives, and of course the news media. And they meet every year. The next meeting is coming up in mid August and they meet at Jackson Lake Lodge. Well, as I was praying through and doing all of this research, the Lord showed me that Jackson Lake Lodge is a spiritual gate into your region, and Bale is using that to influence this whole area. And so I wanted to be to go there for reconnaissance, but the Lord didn't have that in store for this particular trip.

But what happens there is you have all of these globalists globalists who are Nephilim hosts that gather once a year, and they are partnering with the dark entities that operate out of that place. It's right near a lake, so you've got Water Kingdom stuff as well. And they are essentially plotting and planning the further enslavement of humanity through debt. And so that's why it's a a key location. And you had mentioned that there were some folks that come, is it once a year to do ministry there or something, and they experience Yeah.

Some of our AAC and RP folks that come out they come out and do ministry to the national parks. Okay. And we've had several that have, like, lived in Jackson Lake Lodge or around that area that have had really terrible experiences.

Yeah. Yeah. So that is what I wanted to share. So I wanna open it up to questions, feedback. We had a wonderful time this morning doing reconnaissance prayer as well.

So any questions or anything that you guys wanna add or things that you're like, oh my gosh, that makes sense now or anything like that?

I'll say something.

Will you use a mic in the room so that people this is for all the people that are watching the livestream.

Okay.

Yep. So here you go.

Okay. My name is April, and I'm from Pinedale. And I was a fifty year resident of Southern California. And I belonged to a megachurch that I was very, very active in. And our pastors, we I came from a church where women can also pastor from the pulpit, not just men.

And our female pastor was up there giving a service and they just come back from Brownsville Revival. Yes. Thank you. And while she was up there preaching, I actually saw a a thing in black with a black hoodie type thing on just glide right out of the church. And then the following weekend when I was there, the guy behind me was throwing up black tar.

Oh, wow. And that was just like when you mentioned that, it was like, oh, our poor usher had to clean all that up. Wow. It was icky. But so thank you for sharing that part.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

You spent a lot of time talking about bad water spirits. Are there good water spirits? How does that work in the kingdom of God?

That's I don't know. That's a great question. That's a great question. The water kingdom stuff that the water kingdom stuff that the Lord has drawn my attention to in scripture are all principalities, like Leviathan, Dagon, Rahab. That's a great question.

Well, know, like, the Egyptian belief is the chaos waters, like, that's the or Ra, right, is the chaos waters and that God. And then God, in creation brought order to the chaos. Mhmm. But I mean I just I keep thinking of like the ocean, like we haven't even gotten to the bottom of the ocean. Like there's got there's so many different things that are in the that the water's concealing that we can't even get to.

But I I don't know, in Job they talk Leviathan kind of sounds like a God thing, a good thing as opposed No. No. No.

Okay. Yeah.

Yep.

Yeah.

Just those three that I mentioned. Yeah.

Okay. My quick question is, what about the Pool Of Bethesda where Jesus healed a paralyzed man, you know, by cleansing him in the Jordan River?

The Pool Of Bethesda wasn't the Jordan River, but

Correct. But

So say that again?

So didn't Jesus baptize people in the Jordan River? And isn't the Pool Of Bethesda considered in the Bible like a healing water?

Yes. Okay. So all water is not bad. So, yes, the Lord can definitely do beautiful things in water. Great question.

And maybe this touches what you were asking as well. So there is redemptive aspects of water, and one of the reasons why the Lord has asked me to steward the lake in our neighborhood, and I'm sure he's called other people as well, but it's because he has redemptive purposes for those waters. Like, they are to be a reflection of him and to be, you know, bringing forth purity and life and nutrients and stuff. And so I'm constantly blessing the waters, and the Lord can do all sorts of things with water. So it's not that all water is bad or that all bodies of water have water spirits either.

Hi, Doctor. Laura. For those of us who love Jackson and who have gone to great lengths in investing our lives and our time and our talent and treasure here, we feel like really defensive about it, you know, in like a good way because we love it. So I want to go back and just maybe you explained this already, but at the beginning of your presentation you said that you've discovered a gate?

Yeah.

And could you, did you already explain that or love to hear more?

A spiritual gate here? Yes. So Jackson Lake Lodge is a spiritual gate. And maybe what I'll do is I'll take a moment to share about a spiritual gate in Salt Lake because I feel the same way about Salt Lake City. When the Lord calls you somewhere, it's your land.

And, like, as much as I travel all throughout the country and even to other countries, when I land in Salt Lake City, I'm like, these are my people. And I just like, I have such a huge love. But I just had, you know, family come into town because Kaylee, our daughter, had her baby shower. And my sister-in-law and brother-in-law, when they hit the border of Utah, they felt so much oppression and darkness, and it was really hard for them to even be in Salt Lake City. And that's hard to hear, you know, as one that lives there, but I recognize that, you know, that God gives us a grace to live where he's called us to live.

And so even though Salt Lake City is a very dark place, I mean, it is obviously, it's the Mormon Mecca of the world, and there's a lot of evil things that happen. There are amazing things that are happening. So I'll share about how are we doing on time? I think this story is important to answer your question, and then maybe we have time for a couple more questions. So do we?

Okay. Feel free to get up and leave if you have to. So we discovered back in 1999, we discovered a spiritual gate in Salt Lake City, and it's a place called Memory Grove. Memory Grove is adjacent to the state capital. So the state capital is up kind of on a hill, and below it is this canyon, and in the canyon is Memory Grove.

Well, as a spiritual mapping team, we had been praying for revelation about how the queen of heaven has access to our city and our state. And in August '99, I was a full time psychologist at the time working downtown Salt Lake, but Kaylee was a baby and she was not well. So I was at home with her, and I was just she was sleeping, and I was just having what I call, like, a time of silence where I just come before the Lord, no agenda, just sit at his feet and be in his presence. And he began just speaking to me, and there was a really intense storm that was going on outside. And the Lord said, the sound of the storm is the sound of the spiritual battle over your city.

And about an hour later, I got a call from my mom who constantly has the news on. And she lived in Southern California at the time. And she's like, are you okay? And I was like, yes. I'm fine.

I'm at home. And she had heard that we had a tornado in Salt Lake City. And I would have been downtown where the tornado came through, but I was at home. Well, it's very unusual for us to have a tornado. The way our landscape is, the mountains, and we've never had a tornado in Salt Lake.

So about two weeks later, again, I'm in a time with the Lord just in his presence, and I was asking him once again, where does the queen of heaven have a foothold or an entry point? And the lord said, follow the path of the tornado. And so I had never clued in to the tornado, like, where it had gone, and so I got out. We had newspapers back then. So I got out the newspaper, and it had, like, a full page path of the tornado.

So I began looking at where it had gone, and it had, you know, ripped open some of the roof of what was called the Delta Center where the Utah Jazz play. And it toppled over a huge crane that was building the the new LDS convention center, and then it went up near the capital and it just camped out in Memory Grove. And it ripped up a 175 trees. And newspaper articles said, like, the grim reaper came to Memory Grove. And so the Lord just drew my attention.

Well, I had never known about Memory Grove. So now I'm starting to do some research. I'm digging into scripture, and it turns out that when you look at the Hebrew word for grove, it's Asherah. And Asherah is a form of the queen of heaven. The queen of heaven is worshiped in the grove in among trees, among spreading trees.

And in scripture, you see that sexual perversion is part of worship to the queen of heaven, and so you have male and female shrine prostitutes. Well, then I began digging into old newspaper articles about Memory Grow because I wanted to learn everything I could. And I found an article, this was in the '9 early nineties, so it only about eight or nine years previous, but they were writing about 1986, and that something shifted in Memory Grove in 1986. It used to be a place where you could bring family members and just, you know, have a picnic, a wonderful time. But in 1986, it became filled with thugs, transients, and gay men, homosexuals.

And then there's a guide called Dameron's Damien or Dameron's Guide. It's kind of like how we used to have fedores, you know, when we would travel, you could look up, like, all this stuff. Well, this guide was apparently the hot spots for homosexuals across The United States. So if you wanted to go vacation somewhere as a gay person, you would look in this guide and it would show you where you could go. Well, Memory Grove was listed as a hotspot.

And so what the city did is they decided we're gonna shut down the road that goes through Memory Grove hoping to, like, change the atmosphere, but it made it worse because now you have less traffic. And so the men were soliciting sex among the trees. Well, that is a modern day shrine male shrine prostitute to the queen of heaven. So, then we did reconnaissance. Now this reconnaissance trip, we probably had, like, 45 people.

We were not stealth in any way. But it was a combination of worship and reconnaissance. And so we gathered, and Memory Grove there's a road that that goes into it, and there's a gate. And right at the entrance to Memory Grove is the end of a neighborhood. So there's there's houses on one side of the street, and we parked along that street.

And the house at the very end that butts up to Memory Grove, one of our intercessors was a hairstylist and happened to be cutting hair of somebody who knew who owned that house, and it was the head warlock in our region that owned that house. And she tells us this right as we get out. And so the Lord is just now starting to bring all this reconnaissance information discernment. So as we're walking into Memory Grove, there's a flagstone walkway. Well, in the flag stone specifically cut is a pentagram.

Then there's specifically cut and laid an image of the queen of heaven. Now there's all sorts of images of the queen of heaven over time, but most of the time there's an emphasis on breasts, the reproductive organs, and, sometimes there's a, like, a conical hat. Well, this had, again, this is flagstones. This isn't, like, random. They cut it this way.

There was, a queen of heaven, so it had a conical hat, was facing sideways so you could see the profile of the face, so you had a nose. Then it had arms that were reached up like this. The a breast was sticking out, and then it came and it had a circle for the the reproductive organs and then legs. And so we walked inside to the memory grove, and we went to this one grassy area. And the Holy Spirit, just like what happened today, the Holy Spirit just started bringing confirmation, opening our eyes to see what was there in the spiritual realm.

Well, there was the head warlock's house, he had a second story balcony, and hanging off of it was a noose. And I'm not a knot person, but you all probably are because you live in Wyoming. But we had one of the guys was from Montana and knew a bunch about knots, and he said the only reason you use that type of knot is to hang someone. So we took pictures of that. Then the Lord started showing us that all throughout Memory Grove was the same design of the queen of heaven in the landscape itself.

So these entities influence the actual design of the grove. And so there was a walkway from Memory Grove up to the capital. And because all of those trees got ripped up, we could actually see what the walkway looked like on the hillside. And it has the two legs that come up. So you have two stairs that come up to a center point.

And at that point in time, there was, like, this circular monument. I think it was like a statue. And then the walkway went up. So now you have the arms, and the head was the rotunda of the Capitol Building. And we're like, oh, Jesus.

And we knew that this was a spiritual gate into our city. And so we did a number of reconnaissance trips. The Lord kept bringing forth information. And what he showed us is that he ripped up a 175 Asherah poles to expose what was going on in Memory Grove. There's another monument that's there that's called the James Austin Memorial, and it's outside of the groomed area of the park.

So our first reconnaissance trip, we didn't see it. But one of our intercessors was just hiking one day, and she saw it, and she's like, we've gotta come back. So we did, and it's it's a yeah. A monument. It's essentially like this it it's like a stone slab.

So it it's circular, stands about this tall. It has now like a cap of cement on it about this big, like, on the surface, and it has this flagstone walkway, like, two different landings that go up to it. Well, at the base of the walkway, the stairs, are two pentagrams in circles, again, cut in the flagstone. You go up to the main landing, and there's a circle. Now circle is huge in Wicca.

Also, Nephilim Agenda, it's one of the symbols, the circumpunct. And then you get to either side of this monument, which is really an altar, and there's two pentagrams and circles there as well. When when we first got there, there was red candle wax that was melted on the altar, and so we knew this was a place it was a Wicca ritual location. And then we had one of our youth at the time was writing tracts, and this is Paul Safink, and he got in a conversation with a gentleman who had been to a ritual at the James Austin Memorial. And he said he couldn't describe it because it was so horrifying, but he said, I will never go back.

And so that was just confirmation that the Lord brought that there's ongoing rituals happening. So we have had to, for four years, we did maintenance prayer at Memory Grove and the Lord shifted it and it was a place where angelic presence was. But then I fell apart because of Zachariah's illness. I went through a dark night of the soul. I was striving.

Remember when I said I learned the hard way? The Lord had given me that mapping assignment for Memory Grove, and then I took it and started to strive. And the Lord showed me an image of what he wanted that memorial to look like, and it's out of Ezekiel is it 46 or 47 where the river flows from the temple, and it's ankle deep, thigh deep, so deep you can't pass. Well, he gave me a vision of what he wanted this memorial to look like, and he actually supernaturally provided the water for the redesign of it. And I started meeting with, like, the Landmark Society in Salt Lake.

We did a fund a fundraiser. I did a news report. Like, I was doing all this stuff, but I was striving. And so the Lord had to remove it from me. And thankfully, he's given it back.

But I share all that because it's really important when we understand where a spiritual gate is because this one in Salt Lake, the queen of heaven, is influencing our government, and we can see that. So the trees that were ripped up by the Lord, those Asherah poles, the governor at the time saved some of those trees and made his desk out of it. So you have defiled idols forming the desk of the governor of Utah. So every governor that goes to sign law is on this defiled wood that the Lord removed. So I I share that now.

Exciting things are happening in Utah. We are in the midst of unconventional revival. We can't say transformation yet, but we are in the midst of unconventional revival. And the things that we have been praying for for twenty seven years, twenty eight years, we are now seeing the fruit of. So remember I said we have gone so many times to the Salt Lake Downtown Temple Square?

Well, back in 2007, we had just gotten done with a prayer initiative, and one of the things the Lord often leads us to pray is that the Mormons step into a full revelation of God's grace. Because their understanding of grace is if you if the line the bar to get into heaven is right here, and they work, work, work, work, work, work, work, almost to death. They work themselves. They get to hear. Grace makes up the difference.

And so it's so much a work based mentality. That's why there's so much depression and oppression of the women in particular. So we often pray that the Lord brings a revelation of his true grace. Well, we returned from that prayer initiative, and just for the sake of my local friends from the fellowship days, Wayne Bippis, our worship leader, happened to be downtown, and he calls us and he's like, you guys have got to come downtown. And he wouldn't tell us why.

And so, of course, we're intrigued. We go downtown, and the LDS, they were refurbishing the tabernacle building. So they were redoing the roof of the building. And the the company they chose to reroof the tabernacle was called Grace. And the underlayment paper that they chose said the words ultra grace.

So thousands upon thousands upon thousands of times, ultra grace was in the roof of the tabernacle underneath where they they relayed the the roof. And so that was a sign to us back then that the Lord had heard our prayers and that he was gonna release a revelation of his ultra grace. Eighteen years later, we are seeing the fruit of it. And so it's not just our church, the well, but there are five churches that I've identified now. I keep asking, and this is part of the spiritual mapping research.

You wanna get the demographics of what's going on in the churches. Well, so the well where we're at, we have in two years' time experienced a 172% growth. And so we are outgrowing everything. Like, it's a challenge for our leaders for sure, but it's a wonderful challenge to have because in the first five weeks of 2025 no. First six weeks, 623 people have given their lives to Jesus.

And so we're seeing tremendous growth in our church, and a lot of these are Mormons. CenterPoint is a church in Orem. They've doubled in size in two years. They're having to find a new property. We're having to build a new auditorium.

We had just finished a new auditorium, and they outgrew that within one year. So now we're having to build an even bigger one. So center points in Orem, just by reference sake, that's Utah County. Utah County is where BYU is. Salt Lake County is probably, I don't know, I would say maybe 50% Mormon now.

Utah County is probably upwards of 75% Mormon. There's two other churches, Redemption Hill. They are they're having to go to multiple services because they're growing so fast. And then a small town, Ephraim. So small town Utah, generally 90% Mormon.

And it is for a church, a Christian church to survive in small town Utah is the hand of God. But in Ephesians, the Ephesians Bible Church is not only surviving, it's growing. Now they've only seen 25% growth, but in a 90% Mormon community, that's huge. They are saying Mormons are leaving in droves. So we're in the middle of unconventional revival even though we still have an active spiritual gate that we're trying to close.

Just

on the heels of that, I am ex Mormon. Mhmm. And I was wondering maybe advice you could give to maybe break generational curses. I'm the first of my long lineage to. So I'm like, yes to all of it.

Yes. I guess just what advice would you give in that direction

Yeah.

Living in Utah doing your life's work as this. So

Yes. There's as with most things, we want to deal with generational iniquity in our bloodline. So, you would have you know, some of the Mormon rituals that take place are very similar to the Masonic rituals. So Joseph Smith was also a Freemason as was Brigham Young. It their rituals go hand in hand also with witchcraft.

So it's very interwoven. And so with the things that they do, like the temple

what do

call it? Sacraments?

Ceremonies.

So Mary Anne's husband, Gordon, was Mormon as well as a believer. And there's a lot actually, Mary Anne, you can answer that because you walked through it with Gordon. But there's a lot that you can walk through, deliverance type prayers to to close those doors, to cleanse the bloodline. But it's not just because you have Mormon background. I'm doing that now.

Like, I've I'm in my fifth round of deliverance, receiving deliverance in my lifetime. And the work that I'm doing now, like, each time the Lord goes a layer deeper and deeper. And so I'm addressing things in my bloodline that goes 20 generations ago. That's eight hundred years ago. And there was some hectic stuff in my bloodline that I did not know but was affecting my children.

Each one of my children nearly died because of pacts and covenants that my ancestors made. So not just with Mormon, I encourage all of you to do the work of dealing with generational iniquity.

This is a loaded question, but I'm curious because you hear revivals in, you know, like Catholic churches, Baptist churches, different denominations. And I think about because because we're in Mormon country here too, and there's all these buildings. If if they all got saved, like, could those buildings be used for the real gospel? And have you ever thought of that?

Yeah. I mean, we you'd certainly wanna cleanse, do a lot of prayer, and cleanse that because there's iniquity on the land attached to those buildings because all of the false worship that's being offered up there. I mean, Mormons are I have incredible friends that are Mormons, and they love Jesus. The problem is it's a false Jesus.

Mhmm.

They've been taught the false Jesus. Now I do believe some of my Mormon friends, I believe, are following the true Jesus, but they kind of like I've got a lot of friends that are Baptists. And and one of my friends, she's like, I'm a recovering Baptist. Meaning, she was taught it's Jesus, the father, and the holy bible. They were never taught about the holy spirit.

So in a similar way, she was following a false Jesus that wasn't the true Jesus because if you're following the true Jesus, you have the true holy spirit in you. So it's not just Mormons. It it it can be different denominations. So it's important to cleanse the land and cleanse that building because there would be stuff that would prohibit the gospel from fully going forth. But, yes, like, once you do that work, those buildings certainly could be used for that.

Is that your question?

Yeah. Well, I just

Kind of.

Revival because revivals happen in, like, dry churches, and they're like, I've heard Amish churches have actually had revival where the Holy Spirit fell, and they didn't see it coming. And I was wondering if it's more do you think that could be you could pray for that Mormon.

Oh, I see what you're saying. Yes. We've actually had tons of prophetic words over the years from outside people that will come to Salt Lake saying what they see is that the holy spirit there is gonna be revival from within, and so it will completely change. Now one of the intercessors, Shirley, that's part of our regional intercession gathering, she was part of the Worldwide Church of God, which was a cult. And she was a believer, knew it was a cult.

She begged Jesus to leave. Like, can I leave this place? And the Lord said, no. I need you here to intercede. For fifteen years, she interceded, and the Holy Spirit got ahold of the Worldwide Church of God, and there was a birth.

There was, like, revelation that they were teaching the wrong gospel. And so it caused this huge church split, but over half of the church became born again believers in the middle of a cult. So, yes, that can definitely happen. And so then the Lord moved Shirley to Utah to pray for the Mormons, and she's part of our prayer team.

Watch out. Shirley's on

the That's right.

I was curious to hear what you found out about the high school here. And then my other question was for people who live here, do you have any specific advice? I realize that we're not supposed to strive, but is there anything that you were inspired to share with us that we can do Mhmm. To help the area?

Yeah. So those that went to the high school, will you share what you found? We went to our group.

There's I felt a lot of grief and loneliness really strong all throughout the campus, but then especially at, like, the entrance to the the parking area, just, a heavy, like, crying grief. Like, I thought I saw a girl, like, in a car just, like, weeping. And then as we walked around, somebody else in my group felt the word rebellion really, really strong. And then we just we both felt or we all felt kind of at the the front end and the back end of the school. Like, there was definitely, like, more heaviness on those ends.

And then somebody else saw that there's a a Masonic symbol, like, right at the door. And I had had felt like the there was just such a heaviness. Like, when I walked in front of the doors, I immediately, like, felt a headache. And I felt like there was just, like, these like dark forces right there just waiting at the door just to, you know, attack and beat on the kids just right as they're walking in. And then and then somebody else in my group just felt like the the money that the government gives Oh, I should pull this out because I don't remember it exactly.

But the money that the government gives to subsidize all

of

the things is giving permission to parents to be irresponsible with their children and just basically drop them off at this place and let that money and the programs and stuff in there raise the kids instead is basically what Mhmm. We had felt. I don't remember what was that your group?

Yeah. So was it Corey? Is that his name? Mhmm. He yesterday, when he was coming out of the school, he noticed the plaque, and it's right at the front entrance.

And the school was dedicated by the Masons. And so we've prayed at a number of schools, and I this is the first one I've seen dedicated to by the Masons. So, obviously, that has a huge impact. As I was walking, I just walked the perimeter of the school. We we didn't have much time.

And it was what I kept hearing was a taunt from the enemy saying this is impenetrable, meaning the gospel can't get in. You're not gonna let you're not gonna be able to get the gospel in. And, of course, that's just a taunt, you know, in comparison to Jesus, you know, the enemy is like this. But, yeah, there's definitely some stuff that can be prayed. And so to answer your other question, and this is to build on what we did today.

So, you know, those that came on the reconnaissance, what we did is we took notes. And what we do, like, with spiritual mapping, and this is something you can do if the Lord leads you, is we'll take those notes and we'll begin to pull out the common themes. Sometimes I highlight them in different colors. I mean, those of you that are administrative, you can just geek out about, nerd out about that kind of stuff. But, like, I'll highlight, if, let's say, there's, a spirit of death or death themes like suicide or rapes or, you know, Bryson smelled a decaying body.

You know, those death kind of themes, you can, you know, color a particular color. And then, anyways, what you begin to see are these patterns. And, there were a lot of other locations that are important in your city to go to. Jackson Lake Lodge is definitely important, but again, you'll wanna go in the timing of the Lord and with the people that the Lord calls to go. Because given that it's a spiritual gate, most likely it'll be more intense than what we experienced even.

But so what you do is you just begin to organize the reconnaissance notes, do some of the research. Like, I I will send you what we did, you know, just give it to you, but then you can build on that. And and you begin to see, and ask the Lord for strategy for the actual prayer initiatives. So the prayer initiatives are the informed intercession part of spiritual mapping. And so that's what we did here with this one.

So this is and I'll leave this with you just as an example. But we use this prayer brief to then do prayer initiatives. And so the Lord showed us five places in Salt Lake City that were heavily influenced by globalism. And so this was called uprooting the spirit of globalism. That was the assignment the lord gave.

And so we had teams of people and just organized which team went to which location location to pray. We had the prayer strategies, like the prayer points, and then, we went and we did the prayers. And, I mean, a lot more needs to be done. Our our governor I could go on and on, but I won't. He's a definite globalist.

But we did see some breakthrough in some of the legislation, right after we prayed because this was, I think this was in the summer and the next legislative session, we saw, amazing laws get passed that were forerunning laws for the rest of the nation, things that kind of put a stop to some of the tyranny with COVID and stuff like that. So that those are some things that that you can do.

We'll do just a few more right here and then right here.

So with Jackson Lake Lodge, like, I live there. And just to kinda also refocus a little bit, spiritual gate or not, like there's it is a super strategic place because there's like 500 people that come from like at at least four different continents that I know of and all over the country. And it's just such a fertile missions field. And so I just wanna say, I'm super excited to live there because there's

That's awesome.

A ton of people there that you can reach. But secondarily too, I've always I've always been kind of skeptical about, you know, not the Holy Spirit, because as a Christian, like, you you have to accept that there is a a realm beyond our own. Right? But also, my main question is, like, my philosophy is just, man, I'm gonna go in there and I'm gonna be a light for Jesus, spiritual gate or no. You know?

So like, my question is is like, not to be like blunt or callous, but like so what? You know? Because I'm gonna go in there and I'm gonna do my thing as a follower of Jesus either way. Mhmm. So what difference does it make if there's a gate there or not?

Because I'm gonna go out there and knock down the gates of hell either way. Know?

Great. I love that question. It's a great question. Because what it brings up is is one of the main purposes of spiritual mapping. So you can go and share the gospel like you're doing.

How many have gotten saved, would you say, at this point?

I've I've been here for a month. So Okay.

What can happen is a little bit of what you were sharing as we were driving is that how did you term it? This city is moderately hostile to the gospel. What spiritual mapping does is it can lift the darkness and the oppression enough so that the gospel is actually fruitful so that when you share the gospel, people will hear it, people will receive it. So that's what we're experiencing in Salt Lake City. People are experiencing the gospel message.

And so that when you look at some of the transformation that has happened across the globe with communities that are being transformed, the gospel, people were evangelizing before and not having much fruit because of all the darkness. So the Lord has planted you there with the light of Jesus, which is awesome because you have a calling. So the Lord will give you the grace to live there, but it doesn't mean that we ignore what's happening there. Because if people come around you and the Lord directs that spiritual mapping, it can lift that oppression so that your words, your efforts in sharing the gospel will be fruitful

more fruitful, I should

say. Yeah.

So I had a question about the healing from generational sin and all of that. So I come from a Chinese family, and there's, like, a whole lot that I've experienced that's been very dark. Some of it, think, is spiritual discernment as well. But it's I'm seeing it manifest in my son now. And I've been asking the Lord, like, how do I break this off?

How do I heal from it for the sake of my son also? Mhmm. And he's told me to start digging, but I'm like, I don't know where to dig. Like, is ancestry.com a good place? Because all the people I could talk to are now dead who would have probably pivotal information to start with.

But Mhmm.

Yeah. So what what is your Mhmm. Recommendation?

Yeah. These are great questions. Yes. You can use things like ancestry.com. That's good as far as research goes.

The holy spirit is your first go to. So the work that I'm doing I mean, obviously, I don't know my ancestors from eight hundred years ago. Right? Now some of my family has done genealogy stuff back to probably two hundred years ago, but still, the only way that I know what's in my family line is from the holy spirit. He'll give me dreams, or he'll actually give me visions.

So, I had a vision of a very hectic thing that happened. It was a ritual that was done in my bloodline, in my family line, and this was eight generations ago. And I saw the holy spirit, gave me a glimpse. It was, outdoors, and it was, in, like, this grassy field, and there was a ritual that took place. And everyone that was gathered was in white robes, and there was an altar in the middle, and they were sacrificing a child.

And the Lord told me now, thankfully, I didn't see the actual sacrificing of the child, but the Lord told me that they had made a pact with Molech because they were dying of starvation, and they wanted that blessing from Molech for their crops. And I was like, when the Lord showed me that, I mean, that's heavy, hectic stuff. And I was like, Lord, I need confirmation. Like, this is I don't know if I even wanna believe this. Like, this is heavy.

And so I just looked at I know, like, my heritage, where I'm from, like, Germany, Holland area, England, all of that. And so I just looked up like, Tom helped me figure out, like, how many generations ago, eight eight generations or how many years ago. And I looked up famine in the seventeenth century in Europe. And sure enough, that century had the most famine of any of the other centuries. And so that was enough for me because I've been doing this a long time.

I didn't need, like, confirmation after confirmation. That was enough for me to say, okay. Holy Spirit, I I accept this. Then, because of that now I am doing ministry, receiving deliverance ministry. So, my good friend, Andrea Reinbark, is the one, ministering.

And I I haven't shared this with anyone publicly, so this is how comfortable I feel with you all. So I shared that with her, and we recognized that because of that pact, that covenant that was made with Molech, that gave the enemy a right to try and take Zachariah's life. Because when we went to the supreme the steps of the supreme court to pray for the unborn, the enemy looked through my bloodline, and he saw that, and he's like, I'm taking Zachariah's life. But Jesus spared him. And so this is how important it is to do that work of generational iniquity.

I have known intercessors that have gone with me to the the very first time I went to the call call. DC in, 2000, her son died the day of the call in a motorcycle accident. And so, when we have those open doors, it's really important. That's why I encourage not just the gal that was coming out of Mormonism, but all of us to really recognize that this stuff is real. The enemy's a legalist.

And if there are packs and covenants that have not been cleansed and closed, he can call that forth. Now Jesus is always in the midst of that, and his plans are greater.

But And Katie, we have we have resources for you here at Tribe. Bobby Daily?

I just wanted to be able to end this on an up note.

Yes.

I've lived here for a lot of years. There are intercessors in Teton County who have been on their knees for centuries here. Awesome. The first Christian that came into this country, into this area, was an itinerant missionary who traveled all over Wyoming. And he began in Moran and has worked his his way down into Jackson.

So there is a there's a base of Jesus in this county. Mhmm. Also, there have been numerous prophecies. And I know Christine knows some of these because she's been here a long time, too. But the one that, to me, is so it just speaks to me is that one year we went around to all of the headwaters of this area.

And we had fasted and prayed. And we went to the headwaters. Mine was kind of a low headwater because I'm not much of a hiker.

But there

were people who went, you know, way up in the mountains. I don't know if you were here then either, Brian. I don't know.

Did anyone go to what is it called? Like, the parting of the oceans?

Yeah. Yes. Up to Ocean Pass. Yes. Okay.

So the headwaters were prayed over and anointed and all of that. Then there have been various people who have come in with prophecies of this valley. And they're all wonderful. They're just very exciting to see. And we know that all around this valley, there are mountains.

And I would just ask that the Lord would open your eyes to see there are warring angels standing on those mountains. Mhmm. This valley belongs to Jesus. Amen.

Amen. Whoo.

Thank you, Bobby Daily. Let's celebrate the Lord and his ministry to us through doctor Laura this evening. Thank you. Thank you. Tomorrow, 10AM, we're gonna be at the Virginian, where doctor Laura will share again.

So thank you guys for being here tonight. And would that be alright if I close this out in prayer? And just before I pray, I'll I'll tell you the the fruit of generations of intercessors and their thick calluses on their knees for this valley is evident by is evidenced by this church tribe. This is the building that you're in right now most of you know this, but maybe not all of you. The building that we're in right now, 1,200 square feet divided between two floors, is the first piece of ground bought by Jesus for his church in over twenty five years.

And and this is what we got and a lot more ground to take. Jesus, we love you. We thank you. We thank you. God, I ask that you would open the aperture of our heart to see the supernatural activity that is going on all around us.

Lord, that you would highlight areas and things and strongholds that need to be torn down, not by might nor by power, but by my spirit, says the Lord. So that a person would say, who are you, oh mighty mountain? Against Zerubbabel, he stands at the base of the mountain and says, grace, grace to you. And that that mountain would be a level hill. God, we ask and we thank you in advance for an invasion and a permeation of your spirit in this valley.

And we can't say it enough. We'll tell you one more time. Jesus, we love you. I command a blessing over each and every person here this evening. God, I ask that you would take the things that were said and discussed, and you would help us to unpack those things, help us to grab a hold of those things, and help us to honor you by the things that were imparted into our heart tonight.

We love you, Jesus, and we are so thankful for this. We pray these things in Jesus' name, the strong son of God. And everybody said, amen. Amen. I love you guys so very much.

I'll see you at the Virginian tomorrow at 10AM.